“A person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel.”
This is the definition of a Zionist. People have expressed concern when I say, based on this definition, that I am a Zionist.
Yes, Jews are concerned about becoming a minority in their own country. To put this in perspective, the United States was colonized mainly by Christians from Europe. It is considered still to be a “Christian” nation. Would any of my readers be worried if the United States (or any other country they live in) was in danger of becoming a majority Muslim nation? Would anyone worry if it was to change from a Christian/Greek foundation of law, for example, to Sharia Law?
If there are only 14 million Jews in the world and there are almost 2 billion Muslims, and it is well known that Muslim extremists have vowed to not stop fighting until every Jew is exterminated, why would anyone have a problem with Jews having this small piece of land for their own, land that historically they have inhabited for over 3,000?
In saying this, I am not discounting the plight of the Gazans or those on the West Bank. However, why do not the surrounding Muslim/Arab nations help them? Why does the responsibility fall squarely on Israel’s shoulders?
It should be remembered that while the State of Israel was established on 15 May 1948 and admitted to the United Nations, a Palestinian State was not established. The remaining territories of pre-1948 Palestine, the West Bank - including East Jerusalem- and Gaza Strip, were administered from 1948 till 1967 by Jordan and Egypt, respectively.
At that time, Egypt and/or Jordan could have given control to the local people to create Palestine. Why didn’t they do so? Instead, Israel was attacked in 1967—once again—and what was the result? Israel won and gained more land (this happens during war, all through history)—some of which it kept as a buffer to further attacks and yes, for settlements, and then returned the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt in 1982.
If Arab nations have never really wanted a Palestinian state and those who inhabit Gaza and the West Bank mainly support Hamas and hate Palestinian President Abbas—the person the West claims they want to be in charge—and Palestinians repeatedly state that they do not want a two state solution, they want all the territory, how does anyone realistically think a two-state solution is possible. After Oct 7th something like 80% of Gazans supported Hamas. In Britain, for example, almost half of Muslims support what Hamas did on Oct 7th and the vast majority don’t believe the atrocities even happened. This is a problem, isn’t it?
In the United States, I know of Jews who are moving to Israel because they feel safer there than here. The same is happening in France. If there is no Israel to go to, what are Jews supposed to do? Realistically, knowing history, what do you think would happen to Jews worldwide, especially in this escalating climate of Jew hate, if Israel did not exist?
What is this tiny nation supposed to do to defend itself? Or should it just stop? What would be happening now, for example, if Israel did not have an Iron Dome?
If you are not in favor of Israel’s existence, if you think Zionism is one of the worst evils on the planet, why do you think this? What would you suggest should happen?
It would be logical to assume that if you think Israel shouldn’t have a problem with being a majority Muslim nation, you should not worry about your own homeland being a majority Muslim nation. Would you happily live under Sharia Law? If not, why do you expect someone else to accept this? I am truly curious to know.
I am in favour of Israel's existence and so, must also be a Zionist. This has become a dirty word, because we are being manipulated by powers that wish discord, division, hate and war. I have largely refrained from expressing support for or against anything Israeli/Palestinian related because of this manipulation (and because my knowledge of this conflict is superficial). The elites play war games, the populace suffers.
Exactly, and perfectly argued. The two tier policing obvious to all here in Canada, is frightening. I look to Eylon Levy and Johnathan Conricus for their reporting. And the inimitable Melanie Phillips. What I find horrifying is the openly stated goal of the protesters: there is no reasoning with their murderous bigotry.
I'm from the deep left. A Union member all my adult life, and a Union Rep from 2015-2020. I even won a national union award in 2017 from PCS.
I was the main political cartoonist for the only communist newspaper in Britain, the Morning Star, until they cancelled me in 2020, for my cartoon which warned of the dangers of men being given access to women's private spaces.
I've been called every insult you can think of, and after October 7, I'm happy to add "Zionist" to the ever-lengthening list.
As usual Karen spot on very accurate writing and of course again the Bible says in Genesis 12:3 that all those who bless Israel will be blessed and all those who curse Israel will be cursed and again in Zechariah 12:3 it talks about in the last days Israel being a burdensome Stone and all those seeking to move it will be cut into pieces ...so as usual it comes down to a spiritual hatred which has no logic or reason and comes straight from Satan himself who has always tried to destroy the people of God of course it will never work just read your Bible people....thanks Karen God bless you and Maranatha!!
I’m new here to your Substack Karen and have been really enjoying your articles!
You mentioned addressing the deep spiritual aspects of this whole conflict. Wanted to suggest Max Lucado’s new book What Happens Next. (It just came out - August 17th.) I’ve been reading it and learning so much about the end times and Israel’s role in God’s plan. Thank you again for your researched, thoughtful, articulate, engaging articles! 🙏 🙏 🙏
I don't know if you've read enough of my writing yet to to know that Dave Hunt was my dad. He gave some amazing sermons of the last days and wrote quite a bit about it. Here is one that I share with people. https://youtu.be/cNuEm_rO0aQ?si=9a9AZ3iOC-7Mkv8x
I am the daughter of a deeply scarred protestant Christian WWII US Army veteran of Irish Sottish English Welsh French Viking and German Ashkenaz descent.
I am an American, and so the jumbled mix above is hardly a surprise.
What is a surprise is how utterly self-destructive so many Americans - particularly those in positions of power - are.
And it's absolutely mind-boggling to me how many Americans of Jewish descent are so gullible as to consider, given the history of 'Palestinian'/Israeli relations, that their dream of a 'two-state solution' is anything more than an intermediary step toward their desired 'final' solution.
Heck, they even scream it out in their obscene slogans, such as "From the river to the sea ..."
IMHO, everyone who has posted a comment should read "Hamas to America" author: Mosab Hassan Yousef. He is the son of the founder of Hamas. He has an interesting perspective.
Yes but if people don't like what he has to say they just say he is a spy and not to be trusted. But what he speaks is the truth. I read his book Son of Hamas and everyone should read it. I haven't read Hamas to America yet but I will.
1)Don't Jewish Palestinians who were all removed from the West Bank (including Jerusalem) as part of/at end of war of Independence have a right to return? (plus imo opinion those expelled in 1929 though Palestinian refugee was defined by where you lived in 1946 so many non-jews relatively new to Palestine were classed as refugees and so now are all their decedents.)
2)more (possibly similar) jews were expelled from Arab countries than none Jewish Palestinians were made refugees.
(note I am understanding the article based on the definition of Zionism you provided)
Karen, a Zionist is defined by their deeds, not some long defiled myth. Zionism represents nothing more than Western Settler Colonialism at its worst. It wants the land and does not even consider sharing it with its indigenous people. I wants these indigenous squatters out or all dead. That is their only two options while playing the victim Holocaust card to its most sociopathic degree. Swapping the victim role to one of the most depraved Nazis racist perpetrator.
No way can this inhumanity be tolerated or rhetorically excused. I as American am ashamed of our unconditional support. I am thus complicit and angry. Unfortunately the Zionist hold on all aspects of our government including all the major Presidential candidates. None of speak of stopping this barbarism, but rather who can support these Zionists more unconditionally. When the choice is between who can slaughter more Palestinian babies than the other, our future and the world’s is very dim indeed.
Zionism is not about the Jewish people returning to what they considered their Homeland. IT is a belief s6stem based on being "the only chosen people of jehovah" and a lot more.
Excellent questions, Karen. I doubt if most have thought through the logic, or they would shrug as it would not pertain to them. But be warned, these people will not stop at decimating Israel. The UK is proof of their plans.
Exactly. Everyone should know you don't invite a vampire into your house yet for some reason the UK and Europe for that matter have opened their doors wide.
thank ya Karen fer this postin'--I know each time ya do this, speakin' out, yer takin' hits (an' losses mebbe too?). I support the existence of Israel with all my heart! I grew up helpin' my gran'ma fill tubes of dimes an' pennies she collected for Israel--yes, even pennies (we lived in that kinda neib ;-) By the old definition of zionism I'm THERE with ya. But today the word is weaponized so I take a step back as its turned against "we chews." Brutally! An' I no more support BBGun (out ta kill his own) than I support Biden--folks hell-bent on destroyin' their own nations an' people should be called out--but that does not mean the world should call fer the death of Israel b/c of some rotten leaders. (Boy golly we've had our own--I'm learnin' more daily 'bout this!)
I KNOW that from the start there were actually joo-hatin' scoundrels involved in givin' / giftin' / griftin' Israel its statehood (Lord Balfour is one've 'em). I know the Rothschilds askd this favor of the rotten British gubbamint whose global crimes they funded (as the money bag men) because they made it a mutually beneficial investment (an' the Brits were tired managin' the Turks). Rothschilds didn't give a hoot about their fellow joos--they were joos in name only themselfs--BUT they figgered it worked for them as havin' a stronghold in the middle east was a great idear. Regular joos were not privy ta these machinations... many were tired of 100 years of pogroms in Russia (an' surroundin' it in E. Europe) an' wanted a place ta just practice their faith an' be left alone. Israel made BAD mistakes from the start--bannin' Yiddish fer example. Now that's fixed. They started out socialist--bad idea, they mostly fixed that too. Young countries deserve slack, not dee-struction!
If the joos were not so hated BBGun would be gone an' the nation would not have ta live on a war footin' which CHANGES the nature of the people--not all--but many--how can it not? It takes decades for a people to trust again... but now we have less reason to trust than ever!
With Israel, ALL the real regular well-meanin' joos were pawns in the globalist game in that they were led in thinking they were led to safety-not-strife. They were told the land was theirs (it was historically) but not that they arrived ta fight for it (though many were glad to)
Zionism was simply self-determination for joos--a place to live an' call home as nobuddy else wanted "us"--even now as ya sad, we are NOT wanted. Even now there is a group meetin' regularly called "The Jewish Problem" with all the beautiful new nazis here (some have commented on yer very stack...shsssh... I watch carefully these things...) join'in' in ta figgure out what ta do with us joos. Deport us? Ban us from jobs? So many "final solutions"--so little time. "WE" are blamed for every MyGrunt crime too! An' so much more... So a nation might be our only refuge, who knows? (I'd ruther live in the USA but I keep options open...just in case...)
SO imho the truth is for joos that IN SPITE of some rotten folks (includin' some who are at least in name "joos")--Israel has always been "our home." Spiritually fer sure even for the secular! But I will say that those raised totally secular never knew the prayers, the songs, the history--an' yup, the torah. Without that, how could they find meanin' in "THIS LAND" (as the song goes?).
The US was gifted back to The Crown in 1861 an' we've been under a shadow gubbamint ever since--even tho' MANY kept this nation goin'! Many patriots BELIEVED in the USA an' had no clue some bad actors were behind the scenes. An' yet in spite of that shadow gubbamint I do not deny the USA her right to exist. "Americans" had no history in this nation (they wrested from the Indians) but many yet made it a good nation. We chews have a real an' long history in Israel (tho' yadayada many deny it). Israel, again, as ya know, has had some lousy leaders. But it deserves to exist (fergawdsakes).
One day I DO hope folks see that cheerin' on Hamas is not a great idea.
I feel for all the people of Gaza an' their sufferin' but I don't feel that Israel should just turn over their country (as they are bein' asked) to "save the Gazans" as the PA caused their problems--not Israel. An' as ya said, it's not about land, it's about killin' us chews. Amazes me no end that decent joos are some of the loudest anti-zionist voices. Cheerin' fer yer own self destruction isn't the same as actively workin' for peace or actively workin' ta help the people of Gaza which many anti-zionists feel oddly more connected to than they do their fellow chews.
Have some soldiers acted disgracefully? Sure! Us soldiers like those in Abu Ghraib or those exposed by "Chelsea" Mannin' didn't act so well either. An' yet again--all joos are condemed fer the acts of some ill-indoctrinated soldiers in the IDF but never are Americans tarred 'n feathered when our soldiers do the same (Oh an I've spoken ta Vietnam Vets that'd give anyone an earful of how US troops treated the Vietnamese...)
I hate war, I hate tyrants, but I won't banish a good nation to the sea to "cleanse the land" of warin' tyrants so that worse ones kin take over. Am Yisrael Chai! an' yes...shalom... really for all've us.
Zei gezunt yer way Karen (good health, a toast!) & todah rabah (thank ya!)
Love this. Thank you so much for your knowledge and wisdom. When people say, but the Israeli government is so corrupt, I answer, and??? This is a no argument since what government isn't corrupt? Why is Israel an old Jews (they say Zionists to justify their Jew hatred) held to a different standard than anyone else in the world? God bless 🙏
Firstly, I am Jewish. I am going to try to respond to some of your points. We are a small percentage of the the world. The modern Zionist movement, actually started in the late 19th century, before World War II. Then the plight of the Jews after WWII highlighted the need for a homeland where Jews could find safety after all they had been through. It was decided by the United Nations. From Google--"Zionism is a movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel." The debate and controversy has to do with the fact that the establishment of Israel caused the displacement and suffering of Palestinians. That's the problem. There was an actual discussion of Alaska being a possibility after WWII. The word has been made murky with opposing sides taking issue with the true definition. There is no easy answer to this problem. What we all must focus on is to stop the bloodshed. This is why we all elect politicians--to figure it out! So they must find a way to do that. There is a lot of speculation as to who knew what on Oct 7th. At the end of the day, they must stop the carnage in any way possible. It will eventually end so why not do it now before more innocents on both sides continue to die. I know both sides of the argument but they have settled things before and can again if they really want to. We must stop the tribalism and all call for PEACE. sabrinalabow.substack.com
This is a phrase repeated ad nauseam. What is the answer?? A practical, honest answer. It is to tell the ppl in charge to stop the carnage on both sides. Enough is enough. We are here in the comfortable USA pontificating about what the right thing to do is. Meanwhile none of us have actually been in this war. It's horrific from ppl who are actually there who I actually know. It must stop.
You will have a hard time finding people in the political echelons of either side who will honestly want to stop it. Whilst I honour your passion and desire for peace, I doubt that Hamas will suddenly say ‘oh ya sorry, it’s been horrific maybe we better stop’. That means not understanding what Hamas actually stands for, and how much they have to lose by stopping. Jihad is the raison d’être, it’s not something that they can just stop (unless to rearm and recommit to new Oct 7th). And war serves Bibi et al really well… to circumnavigate any responsibility for the mess that they created. The only good outcome of this war is Hamas dismantled, Bibi and the right wing Government gone and a new moderate PA in place with plenty of oversight (as sorry you can’t trust the PA either). But yes we would all like it to stop (and never to restart either).
Normal everyday people (on BOTH sides) don't want to dedicate their lives to killing each other. Why would they? They are people like you and me.
While they understand they will probably never be best friends, they also know neither side is going anywhere so they would rather be pragmatic and find a way to live together... because it's in THEIR best interests.
Please stop trying to justify the ongoing Israeli final solution to the "Palestinian problem". The wanton slaughter of Gazan civilians - 40,000 and counting, the vast majority women and children - cannot be excused, let alone justified, on the back of the events of October 7 last year, which have the more than a whiff of a false flag event about them.
I admire your journalism, but in this instance you are are seeking to defend the indefensible, which is what our political masters have historically always tried to persuade us to do as they foment death and destruction in their own selfish interests.
As someone who lived through the horrors of WW2, I find it a bitterly ironic that the Zionist regime in Israel is working off the same bloodsoaked playbook as those earlier globalist puppets, the Nazis, in order to achieve their own version of liebestraum. Sick and sad beyond words.
The reason you admire my journalism is because I give my sources, I do not write from an emotional position, nor do I write for sensationalism or to get subscribers. If telling the truth meant I lost every subscriber, I would still tell the truth.
The "final solution" is what Islamists have said they want to do to the Jews ever since Israel was established. Hamas knew exactly what it was doing when it attacked on Oct 7th and I would say that you and millions of others have fallen for their propaganda. You don't see how this "caring" about Palestine has suddenly been manufactured, just at the BLM riots were manufactured. Nobody cared about Palestine before they were told they should by the propagandists.
It is not my words, in my essays, I don't quote Western theorists. I quote people who live in the region who are being tortured and killed because they stand with Israel (Gazans and Persians, not just Jews).
Gazan Hamza Howidy who was imprisoned and tortured for speaking out against Hamas:
"It pains me to say this as a Palestinian from Gaza. As my home is destroyed and too many killed, I never thought I would find myself criticizing those speaking up. And yet, I cannot be silent about what I am seeing. The truth is that the manner in which many gather to voice their support for Palestinians does more to hurt our cause than help it.
"You know what would help the Palestinians in Gaza? Condemning Hamas' atrocities. Instead, the protesters routinely chant their desire to "Globalize the Intifada." Apparently they do not realize that the Intifadas were disastrous for both Palestinians and Israelis, just as October 7 has been devastating for the people of Gaza...
"It's unconscionable. But it's not just the antisemitism that has me despairing. It's the hypocrisy. Where were these caring young people when Hamas took over Gaza and slaughtered hundreds of Gazans, or when Hamas held 2 million Gazans captive for more than 17 years? Why didn't they speak out about the fact that Hamas led Gazans into this conflict, which resulted in more than 30,000 dead and 80,000 injured, according to Gazan municipal authorities? Where were they when Hamas's failed missiles claimed the lives of hundreds of Gazans on October 17, or when Hamas murdered young people in order to steal aid and resell it to Gazans at massively inflated prices?"
But you didn't answer my question. Should Israel stop fighting for its survival? Of course, I agree situations are always taken advantage of by the elites. I write enough about this.
But if it's only about "our masters", should Israeli citizens just stop fighting and allow themselves to be slaughtered? If it is only about "our masters", if an invading army comes to rape and kill your children, will you just let them because it's all a manipulation and if you defend yourself, you are being way too violent, and merely doing what your masters want you to do?
At a certain point, when it comes to war, theorizing goes out the window and we face reality of life and death situations. The entire world should turn on Hamas. Gazans should turn on Hamas. It is Hamas that is committing genocide on its own people. Do you agree?
But please answer the question. Should the Jews allow themselves to be exterminated? I have been to Israel and their fighting spirit is incredible. I have been many places in the world, but never anywhere that had so much life because it was always so near to death. Do you deny that Hamas and Islamic extremists make it very clear that they will not stop until they have exterminated every Jew? Why do you not condemn them?
It is a horrible tragedy. No innocent person should ever die. However, why do you trust the numbers of the dead that Hamas gives, a terrorist organization that lies all the time?
Perhaps listen to what Dalia Ziaga has to say about this:
I disagree with so many of the points you have raised, yet simply do not have the time to systematically list and repudiate them. Like me, you have obviously spent considerable time studying this subject, which is extremely complex (particularly historically), but the bottom line for me is that Hamas (an Israeli intelligence asset) was not in a position to "exterminate" anyone - and certainly not a nuclear armed Israel, backed by the might fo the Anglo-American alliance. In fact, I would contend that by its opportunist invasion of Gaza, the Israeli state has made itself far more vulnerable in terms of existential and domestic threats to its survival than it was before October 7 last year.
That said, I truly appreciate you taking the time and trouble to explain where you are coming from on this vexacious issue, which is obviously from a very different place to this old guy. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
There are multitudes of indegenous people who have lost their homelands throughout the existence of human history yet the UN has only reestablished a homeland for one. What makes the Jewish people any more special than for say any of the indian tribes in the US who were forcibly removed from their lands? Without the UN proclamation and US military assistance the state of Israel would not even exist.
However, did you know that the UN has one organization devoted entirely to the Palestinians--they are the only people given this attention. It is called UNRWA. If you want to find out more about this corrupt organization within the UN, please read my essay The Truth about UNRWA https://khmezek.substack.com/p/the-truth-about-unrwa?utm_source=publication-search
But you are talking about my exact point. Why aren't people concerned about the Kurds, for example. Because there are so many other injustices in the world, starting with the United States stealing land, should we treat Israelis unjustly too, just to make it even? Please read Christians & Jews, United with Israel https://khmezek.substack.com/p/christians-and-jews-united-with-israel to find out more about all of these injustices, because I have never ignored them, I want people to know since it makes no sense that everyone is obsessed with Israel while ignoring these terrible injustices. I give statistics and you will see that the majority of slaughtering is committed by Islamic extremists. Funnily enough, you won't find an extremist Jew going around slaughtering people in other countries. There are no knife attacks or suicide bombers in France, for example. Israelis want to have their homeland. Islamists make no secret that they want to expand across the world.
I should add, if you are not familiar with my writing, I lived in Luxor, Egypt for three years, from 2019, during Covid. I know the region very well. My family also escaped out of Egypt just days before the 6 Day War, I was ten years old and I know very well, the intense hatred toward Jews (and Americans) that is embedded into Muslims in the Middle East.
Lots to unpack so I will review and come back if I have more questions/points to discuss.
With regards to "the intense hatred toward Jews (and Americans) that is embedded into Muslims in the Middle East", what in your estimate is the primary reason for that "intense hatred"?
I should also add, in case you don't know, that a significant percentage of Israeli Jews who consider themselves as freedom-lovers (a.k.a. "Anti-vaxxers") are ARDENT Anti-Zionists now (especially after October 7) and publicly discuss their desire for the Zionist state to end.
They have many reasons to hate the West, to envy the West. You will find this complex sentiment throughout the world. You can find some examples of this in my essay Into the World.https://khmezek.substack.com/p/into-the-world.
Because I've written hundreds of essays by now dealing with all these topics, rather than write it all over again I reference my essays.
On a deeper level, there is a spiritual battle going on. Islam is diametrically opposed to Christianity and Judaism. It's too much to write here but you can listen to my dad talk about it in this video. If I already commented on this to you, I apologize. https://youtu.be/cNuEm_rO0aQ?si=1GJMnQmDNDmjMKfZ
I think this last comment makes your position fairly clear. Each to their own.
Just curious if you held these views on Islam before you lived in Egypt?
Also, have you ever spent any significant time in Israel? Are you aware that there is a significant percentage of Israeli citizens who are Muslim?
Do you think this can remain going forward given "Islam is diametrically opposed to Christianity and Judaism" and there is a "spiritual battle going on"?
By the way, I really appreciate the respectful interaction so far.
Sorry to comment here. I’d argue that just because someone was smart enough to say no to the jab, they aren’t necessarily smart enough to recognize right from wrong at all times. People have blind spots even if they are aware of some they aren’t aware of all.
It is easy (and self-deluded) for people to ask Zionist Israelis to just disappear. Where to exactly, other than to the graves? There is a huge projection at play where everyone projects their own desires for peace and love and freedom (however they interpret it) onto others. Stick with bone hard facts and leave all emotion and projection aside when it comes to the ME.
You may want to consult the writings of Einat Wilf also, a former Israeli Leftist turned radical fact talker on everything Middle East. Anyway do check out Karen’s Egypt files also, they are really good. Enjoy!
During Covid Netanyahu sold his own Israeli people to Pfizer to be experimented on like lab rats.
“As part of the agreement with Pfizer, we decided that Israel will be a global model state for the rapid vaccination of an entire country,” Netanyahu said, adding that Israel will share data with the world that will “help develop strategies for defeating the coronavirus”.
If you want to find out the truth about data gathering, read one of my most important essays The Nefarious Goal Behind Covid Testing.
At the time, Netanyahu was on trial on charges of bribery, fraud and breach of trust. Covid was a game-changer for him, taking the focus off his personal troubles and allowing him to proclaim that he had signed agreements with Pfizer and Moderna. Perhaps he thinks that by forming this new emergency government with former Defense Minister Benny Gantz, signaling unity, he will again escape a reckoning.
To answer your question about my faith. I am a follower of Jesus. My father was the Christian author, Dave Hunt. I had my disagreements with my dad, but on Israel we agree. You can find out more in his talk Dave Hunt - ISRAEL: Biblical or False https://youtu.be/cNuEm_rO0aQ?si=jIqqlrxAlGWpJt0u
The Jewish people, like anyone else, deserve to live in a place of peace and freedom. The current alliance between Washington neocons and Zionist extremists is a concern for all of us. Let’s hope sanity prevails on all fronts 🙏🏽
I would agree with this dangerous push toward extremism. We are being forced into extreme camps so that we fight one another instead of the elites, I've written a lot about this. However, the obsession with Zionism is a danger because it is turning into a frenzy of hate and justification to demonize Jews. This is also extremism.
I am a huge supporter of Isreal and the Jewish people. As a Christian who believes biblical prophecy points to a renewed Jewish nation of Isreal and a future of blessing for the Jewish people under the Messiah (The Lord and Savior Jesus Christ). All that said, zionism has its stranglehold on this nations politics, business and banking that has been largely destructive. That influence needs to be broken. The average Jewish person I have no qualms with.
Ouch, no! No country gets to choose its people's religion, and the US is NOT a "Christian nation"! This country was founded on the separation of church and state -- and FREEDOM of religion! Your definition of Zionist, and I have seen a few quite different than yours, is part of the reason that there are so many people saying, "I'm not anti-Israel, and I'm definitely not anti-Jew, I'm anti-Zionist"! Including USians well-aware of the US's lead in colonizing, eugenics, and genocide.
If the US were suddenly to become majority-Muslim, fine -- so long as the separation of church and state is maintained! Ditto for that idea of a "Christian nation, or our pretend need to "get back to God" as if that God held the patent on morality. The Crusades, the gleeful killing of Indigenous North Americans and the enslavement of African people under the guise of God's decreed Manifest Destiny, and the burning of women healers tell otherwise.
Does Israel as a nation-state have the right to exist? Of course. Is Israel a land created to be for the safety of Jewish people in a region that is heavily Muslim? And Arab? Yes, and yes. But if your "safety" is built upon the intolerance of, disdain for, and exclusion of others, you're losing massive world support. And you deserve to.
This has nothing to do with religion. In Israel as in the US anyone is free to practice their religion. I believe firmly in separation of church and state. This is about basic fundamental principles. That's why I included Greek. But historically, it was Christians who can to America and took over the land! ouch! Not good, right? Should we give it back?
FYI, most Jews I know are not even religious. Many Israelis are not religious. But they are still Jews. And they are still persecuted
I don't agree because I know the history behind the creation of the country Israel. The Roschields buying lands there and how the jewish in Europe didn't want to move to that forsaken place when they've been very well assimilated to the European culture already but then we have WWII and now they have a motive to move there because they are being persecuted. The example you gave about America and the Christians, mainly white puritans and I will add freemasons is not comparable because the States were a colony and we cannot make historical revisionist going back without understanding the historical moment. The powers who created Israel didn't take over a colony. The English empire had colonies everywhere and still has, contrary to the Spanish empire who made the territories part of the kingdom of Spain with equal rights, its provinces. Now let see if the Aztecs want to come back to their dominions and continue with their sacrifices, let's them because they have been in the continent first and for more than 3000 years so lets do a country for the Aztecs and the Mayans and the Olmecs, what about the Cheyenes and the Pueblo Indian that are in NM and Arizona. We cannot go back in history and make territories reasoning that they were there first, Imperialism and taking over far lands was "the thing" at that historical moment, Darwinism, that is mainly a racist and eugenics ideology, helped to justify it. The question we must ask ourselves is why the jewish people never had a country before (yes, I read the OT) and why now is so important that they have one? About the claim that Israel is worry to be invaded by its enemies, I don't believe they are. Israel has a very powerful surveillance system called the IRON DOME so the notion that a parachute could crossed the Israeli sky without been noticed by Israel forces, is very unbelievable. Yes, I have been in Israel and had a good time and the food is amazing and probably we should have a Christian country there too, after all we have been there 2024 years and our spiritual father is Abraham and we have rights to be there since inmemorial times too, no so sure about the Muslim who came around the seven century but the Arabs probably have rights also, to found a country there because they are cousins of the jews. They are the descendants of Ishmael, also son of Abraham who had with his slave Hagar. Just some thoughts, geopolitical topics are very interesting indeed. Thanks!
Perhaps you have read Ilan Pappe’s books on Israel, Karen. If so, however, I would expect a deeper, more nuanced perspective from you on the subject of Zionism.
One Jewish historian, Professor Shlomo Sand (Hebrew University) has written a compelling book (The Invention of the Kewish People) answering Karen’s question (What is a Zionist) in detail.
not just one--no no, he's a famous self-hating "joo" an' many have debunked his fake claims (he also compares yiddish to speaking like "yoda")--but he has good company--many self-hatin' joos (includin' Arthur Koestler--who was a spook for BOTH the CIA and MI6 no less) wrote a doozie. There's no shortage (sadly fer some've us) of self-hatin' choos who loudly renounce their faith an' all connections with it an' denigrate their people BETTER even than those lookin' in from the outside! They are like the white SJW's crying about their white-oppressor status, bending over backwards to apologize to the black an' bipoc folks, beggin' their forgiveness an' in a few cases--invitin' them in their apts (that didn't turn out well but the intentions were good). self-flagellation is a thing....
If yer a fan of Sand that's fine--just sayin' to most joos he's a kook that makes up stuff... but as I said, he's in good company!
one more fer the wreck-hurds (the father of anti-zionism is...yup... a choo)
Tying Hand to Koestler’s second rate work is standard hasbara. As Hand points out in his afterword, in fact the Kazar history, which is scrupulously ignored now as inconvenient (but very human), was first put forward long before Koestler by both Israeli Minister of Education Dinur and US Jewish historian Saul Baron (or are they self loathing Jews also now?). Hand’s book is a thoughtful examination, by no means self hating, and not something to be dismissed with mere Twitter tactics.
like I said, most joos consider him a crackpot NO less crackpotty than Koestler--an' no, this ain't "twitter tactics" (I don't even have an account)--of course yer hearin' this from a crackpot so feel free ta take it or leave it (I assume you'll stick with the latter)
Here's a little food fer thought from one (of many) individuals who have taken time to refute Mister Sand who claims he is not even a joo cuz joos don't exist:
A. There is evidence of the exiles (footnotes 1 2 3 4 cited below)
B. Multiple genetic studies have shown that the Jewish communities of the world are more closely related to each other than they are to the populations where they live - and that they share a common ancestry originating roughly 4000 years ago.
C. Astonishingly, Sand provided no evidence to support his theory - and given that his previous two assertions have been thoroughly disproved, his theory become absurd.
D. All Jewish communities share a common call of a "Return to a rebuilt Jerusalem" that is found in their prayer texts. The debate within Judaism has always been if the return is a task assigned to the people to complete or an act of redemption that God will perform.
E. Sand denies the many genetic studies (14 and countin') that prove joos are all related to each other an' have DNA that goes back to the Levant that's distinct from Arab DNA... even joo-hatin' David Duke has publicly acknowledge--to his great regret--that this is true as he looked at the studies himeself in HOPE to prove joos are an invented people... now some believe all DNA is bunk so there's that...
Some folks prefer ta shuck DNA, history (biblical, historical, written) an' put their faith in a French scholar who has a "great theory" they like despite havin' literally no expertise in the matter (said by many better informed than I!) .... their choice, always.
Anyone can like whomever they wish an' shout it out ta the rafters.... but Sand is simply a "theorist" an' doesn't have the receipts historians an' scientists DO have.
So I'll just put this out in the ether fer all ta consider an' agree ta disagree... (don't wanna argue my take on Sand any further--those who wish ta defend 'im are perfectly in their right ta do so!) peace out
I believe in the freedom, fairness, opportunity and community of Democracy. Israel is this, albeit an imperfect one.
Well said.
I am in favour of Israel's existence and so, must also be a Zionist. This has become a dirty word, because we are being manipulated by powers that wish discord, division, hate and war. I have largely refrained from expressing support for or against anything Israeli/Palestinian related because of this manipulation (and because my knowledge of this conflict is superficial). The elites play war games, the populace suffers.
Exactly. This intimidation is meant to make us afraid to speak up. Just like during Covid
Karen
Elegant, eloquent and passionate as always.
Gd bless.
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Exactly, and perfectly argued. The two tier policing obvious to all here in Canada, is frightening. I look to Eylon Levy and Johnathan Conricus for their reporting. And the inimitable Melanie Phillips. What I find horrifying is the openly stated goal of the protesters: there is no reasoning with their murderous bigotry.
I'm from the deep left. A Union member all my adult life, and a Union Rep from 2015-2020. I even won a national union award in 2017 from PCS.
I was the main political cartoonist for the only communist newspaper in Britain, the Morning Star, until they cancelled me in 2020, for my cartoon which warned of the dangers of men being given access to women's private spaces.
I've been called every insult you can think of, and after October 7, I'm happy to add "Zionist" to the ever-lengthening list.
You're a hero! 💪👏
As usual Karen spot on very accurate writing and of course again the Bible says in Genesis 12:3 that all those who bless Israel will be blessed and all those who curse Israel will be cursed and again in Zechariah 12:3 it talks about in the last days Israel being a burdensome Stone and all those seeking to move it will be cut into pieces ...so as usual it comes down to a spiritual hatred which has no logic or reason and comes straight from Satan himself who has always tried to destroy the people of God of course it will never work just read your Bible people....thanks Karen God bless you and Maranatha!!
💯 and I haven't really address the deep spiritual aspects of this yet. But I am going to.
I’m new here to your Substack Karen and have been really enjoying your articles!
You mentioned addressing the deep spiritual aspects of this whole conflict. Wanted to suggest Max Lucado’s new book What Happens Next. (It just came out - August 17th.) I’ve been reading it and learning so much about the end times and Israel’s role in God’s plan. Thank you again for your researched, thoughtful, articulate, engaging articles! 🙏 🙏 🙏
Good to know. Thanks! 🙏
I don't know if you've read enough of my writing yet to to know that Dave Hunt was my dad. He gave some amazing sermons of the last days and wrote quite a bit about it. Here is one that I share with people. https://youtu.be/cNuEm_rO0aQ?si=9a9AZ3iOC-7Mkv8x
Wow 😮 I started watching late so haven’t seen the whole video yet but wow. Thank you for sharing.
Can't wait!!🙏
I am a Zionist.
I am a Latin Rite Catholic.
I am the daughter of a deeply scarred protestant Christian WWII US Army veteran of Irish Sottish English Welsh French Viking and German Ashkenaz descent.
I am an American, and so the jumbled mix above is hardly a surprise.
What is a surprise is how utterly self-destructive so many Americans - particularly those in positions of power - are.
And it's absolutely mind-boggling to me how many Americans of Jewish descent are so gullible as to consider, given the history of 'Palestinian'/Israeli relations, that their dream of a 'two-state solution' is anything more than an intermediary step toward their desired 'final' solution.
Heck, they even scream it out in their obscene slogans, such as "From the river to the sea ..."
Truth
IMHO, everyone who has posted a comment should read "Hamas to America" author: Mosab Hassan Yousef. He is the son of the founder of Hamas. He has an interesting perspective.
Yes but if people don't like what he has to say they just say he is a spy and not to be trusted. But what he speaks is the truth. I read his book Son of Hamas and everyone should read it. I haven't read Hamas to America yet but I will.
Excellent! Simply said, with clean logic. Makes total sense to me. Count me a Zionist, as you’ve laid it out.
Amen
I'd add
1)Don't Jewish Palestinians who were all removed from the West Bank (including Jerusalem) as part of/at end of war of Independence have a right to return? (plus imo opinion those expelled in 1929 though Palestinian refugee was defined by where you lived in 1946 so many non-jews relatively new to Palestine were classed as refugees and so now are all their decedents.)
2)more (possibly similar) jews were expelled from Arab countries than none Jewish Palestinians were made refugees.
(note I am understanding the article based on the definition of Zionism you provided)
Yes. The whole refugee situation that continues in Gaza West Bank is manufactured for victim status. I wrote about this in The Truth about UNRWA https://khmezek.substack.com/p/the-truth-about-unrwa
Thanks
#2 is 100% keerecht! (but folks find it inconvenient so it's always left unspoken...)
Karen, a Zionist is defined by their deeds, not some long defiled myth. Zionism represents nothing more than Western Settler Colonialism at its worst. It wants the land and does not even consider sharing it with its indigenous people. I wants these indigenous squatters out or all dead. That is their only two options while playing the victim Holocaust card to its most sociopathic degree. Swapping the victim role to one of the most depraved Nazis racist perpetrator.
No way can this inhumanity be tolerated or rhetorically excused. I as American am ashamed of our unconditional support. I am thus complicit and angry. Unfortunately the Zionist hold on all aspects of our government including all the major Presidential candidates. None of speak of stopping this barbarism, but rather who can support these Zionists more unconditionally. When the choice is between who can slaughter more Palestinian babies than the other, our future and the world’s is very dim indeed.
God bless us, can’t this stop!
Zionism is not about the Jewish people returning to what they considered their Homeland. IT is a belief s6stem based on being "the only chosen people of jehovah" and a lot more.
Excellent questions, Karen. I doubt if most have thought through the logic, or they would shrug as it would not pertain to them. But be warned, these people will not stop at decimating Israel. The UK is proof of their plans.
Exactly. Everyone should know you don't invite a vampire into your house yet for some reason the UK and Europe for that matter have opened their doors wide.
Thankfully, albeit too late, some countries have had enough and closing their borders.
Well written. I totally support Israel as the only democratic state in that region.
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thank ya Karen fer this postin'--I know each time ya do this, speakin' out, yer takin' hits (an' losses mebbe too?). I support the existence of Israel with all my heart! I grew up helpin' my gran'ma fill tubes of dimes an' pennies she collected for Israel--yes, even pennies (we lived in that kinda neib ;-) By the old definition of zionism I'm THERE with ya. But today the word is weaponized so I take a step back as its turned against "we chews." Brutally! An' I no more support BBGun (out ta kill his own) than I support Biden--folks hell-bent on destroyin' their own nations an' people should be called out--but that does not mean the world should call fer the death of Israel b/c of some rotten leaders. (Boy golly we've had our own--I'm learnin' more daily 'bout this!)
I KNOW that from the start there were actually joo-hatin' scoundrels involved in givin' / giftin' / griftin' Israel its statehood (Lord Balfour is one've 'em). I know the Rothschilds askd this favor of the rotten British gubbamint whose global crimes they funded (as the money bag men) because they made it a mutually beneficial investment (an' the Brits were tired managin' the Turks). Rothschilds didn't give a hoot about their fellow joos--they were joos in name only themselfs--BUT they figgered it worked for them as havin' a stronghold in the middle east was a great idear. Regular joos were not privy ta these machinations... many were tired of 100 years of pogroms in Russia (an' surroundin' it in E. Europe) an' wanted a place ta just practice their faith an' be left alone. Israel made BAD mistakes from the start--bannin' Yiddish fer example. Now that's fixed. They started out socialist--bad idea, they mostly fixed that too. Young countries deserve slack, not dee-struction!
If the joos were not so hated BBGun would be gone an' the nation would not have ta live on a war footin' which CHANGES the nature of the people--not all--but many--how can it not? It takes decades for a people to trust again... but now we have less reason to trust than ever!
With Israel, ALL the real regular well-meanin' joos were pawns in the globalist game in that they were led in thinking they were led to safety-not-strife. They were told the land was theirs (it was historically) but not that they arrived ta fight for it (though many were glad to)
Zionism was simply self-determination for joos--a place to live an' call home as nobuddy else wanted "us"--even now as ya sad, we are NOT wanted. Even now there is a group meetin' regularly called "The Jewish Problem" with all the beautiful new nazis here (some have commented on yer very stack...shsssh... I watch carefully these things...) join'in' in ta figgure out what ta do with us joos. Deport us? Ban us from jobs? So many "final solutions"--so little time. "WE" are blamed for every MyGrunt crime too! An' so much more... So a nation might be our only refuge, who knows? (I'd ruther live in the USA but I keep options open...just in case...)
SO imho the truth is for joos that IN SPITE of some rotten folks (includin' some who are at least in name "joos")--Israel has always been "our home." Spiritually fer sure even for the secular! But I will say that those raised totally secular never knew the prayers, the songs, the history--an' yup, the torah. Without that, how could they find meanin' in "THIS LAND" (as the song goes?).
The US was gifted back to The Crown in 1861 an' we've been under a shadow gubbamint ever since--even tho' MANY kept this nation goin'! Many patriots BELIEVED in the USA an' had no clue some bad actors were behind the scenes. An' yet in spite of that shadow gubbamint I do not deny the USA her right to exist. "Americans" had no history in this nation (they wrested from the Indians) but many yet made it a good nation. We chews have a real an' long history in Israel (tho' yadayada many deny it). Israel, again, as ya know, has had some lousy leaders. But it deserves to exist (fergawdsakes).
One day I DO hope folks see that cheerin' on Hamas is not a great idea.
I feel for all the people of Gaza an' their sufferin' but I don't feel that Israel should just turn over their country (as they are bein' asked) to "save the Gazans" as the PA caused their problems--not Israel. An' as ya said, it's not about land, it's about killin' us chews. Amazes me no end that decent joos are some of the loudest anti-zionist voices. Cheerin' fer yer own self destruction isn't the same as actively workin' for peace or actively workin' ta help the people of Gaza which many anti-zionists feel oddly more connected to than they do their fellow chews.
Have some soldiers acted disgracefully? Sure! Us soldiers like those in Abu Ghraib or those exposed by "Chelsea" Mannin' didn't act so well either. An' yet again--all joos are condemed fer the acts of some ill-indoctrinated soldiers in the IDF but never are Americans tarred 'n feathered when our soldiers do the same (Oh an I've spoken ta Vietnam Vets that'd give anyone an earful of how US troops treated the Vietnamese...)
I hate war, I hate tyrants, but I won't banish a good nation to the sea to "cleanse the land" of warin' tyrants so that worse ones kin take over. Am Yisrael Chai! an' yes...shalom... really for all've us.
Zei gezunt yer way Karen (good health, a toast!) & todah rabah (thank ya!)
Love this. Thank you so much for your knowledge and wisdom. When people say, but the Israeli government is so corrupt, I answer, and??? This is a no argument since what government isn't corrupt? Why is Israel an old Jews (they say Zionists to justify their Jew hatred) held to a different standard than anyone else in the world? God bless 🙏
BTW, this might worth watching . After many years ( since this video part 1 ) I recently rediscovered prof Francisco Gil-White on substack!!
https://youtu.be/W9ReF4UUa4E?si=fDN4H7nUpKtO1r1_
Excellent, thank you!
Firstly, I am Jewish. I am going to try to respond to some of your points. We are a small percentage of the the world. The modern Zionist movement, actually started in the late 19th century, before World War II. Then the plight of the Jews after WWII highlighted the need for a homeland where Jews could find safety after all they had been through. It was decided by the United Nations. From Google--"Zionism is a movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel." The debate and controversy has to do with the fact that the establishment of Israel caused the displacement and suffering of Palestinians. That's the problem. There was an actual discussion of Alaska being a possibility after WWII. The word has been made murky with opposing sides taking issue with the true definition. There is no easy answer to this problem. What we all must focus on is to stop the bloodshed. This is why we all elect politicians--to figure it out! So they must find a way to do that. There is a lot of speculation as to who knew what on Oct 7th. At the end of the day, they must stop the carnage in any way possible. It will eventually end so why not do it now before more innocents on both sides continue to die. I know both sides of the argument but they have settled things before and can again if they really want to. We must stop the tribalism and all call for PEACE. sabrinalabow.substack.com
There is no 'settling' things with people who want a whole ethnic group wiped out, "from the river to the sea".
This is a phrase repeated ad nauseam. What is the answer?? A practical, honest answer. It is to tell the ppl in charge to stop the carnage on both sides. Enough is enough. We are here in the comfortable USA pontificating about what the right thing to do is. Meanwhile none of us have actually been in this war. It's horrific from ppl who are actually there who I actually know. It must stop.
You will have a hard time finding people in the political echelons of either side who will honestly want to stop it. Whilst I honour your passion and desire for peace, I doubt that Hamas will suddenly say ‘oh ya sorry, it’s been horrific maybe we better stop’. That means not understanding what Hamas actually stands for, and how much they have to lose by stopping. Jihad is the raison d’être, it’s not something that they can just stop (unless to rearm and recommit to new Oct 7th). And war serves Bibi et al really well… to circumnavigate any responsibility for the mess that they created. The only good outcome of this war is Hamas dismantled, Bibi and the right wing Government gone and a new moderate PA in place with plenty of oversight (as sorry you can’t trust the PA either). But yes we would all like it to stop (and never to restart either).
That's the propaganda you hear (on BOTH sides).
Normal everyday people (on BOTH sides) don't want to dedicate their lives to killing each other. Why would they? They are people like you and me.
While they understand they will probably never be best friends, they also know neither side is going anywhere so they would rather be pragmatic and find a way to live together... because it's in THEIR best interests.
https://youtu.be/GlTDL2Lae6Q
Ok so what is your actual ANSWER??
To the situation? Or to the question of What is a Zionist?
Please stop trying to justify the ongoing Israeli final solution to the "Palestinian problem". The wanton slaughter of Gazan civilians - 40,000 and counting, the vast majority women and children - cannot be excused, let alone justified, on the back of the events of October 7 last year, which have the more than a whiff of a false flag event about them.
I admire your journalism, but in this instance you are are seeking to defend the indefensible, which is what our political masters have historically always tried to persuade us to do as they foment death and destruction in their own selfish interests.
As someone who lived through the horrors of WW2, I find it a bitterly ironic that the Zionist regime in Israel is working off the same bloodsoaked playbook as those earlier globalist puppets, the Nazis, in order to achieve their own version of liebestraum. Sick and sad beyond words.
The reason you admire my journalism is because I give my sources, I do not write from an emotional position, nor do I write for sensationalism or to get subscribers. If telling the truth meant I lost every subscriber, I would still tell the truth.
The "final solution" is what Islamists have said they want to do to the Jews ever since Israel was established. Hamas knew exactly what it was doing when it attacked on Oct 7th and I would say that you and millions of others have fallen for their propaganda. You don't see how this "caring" about Palestine has suddenly been manufactured, just at the BLM riots were manufactured. Nobody cared about Palestine before they were told they should by the propagandists.
It is not my words, in my essays, I don't quote Western theorists. I quote people who live in the region who are being tortured and killed because they stand with Israel (Gazans and Persians, not just Jews).
Gazan Hamza Howidy who was imprisoned and tortured for speaking out against Hamas:
"It pains me to say this as a Palestinian from Gaza. As my home is destroyed and too many killed, I never thought I would find myself criticizing those speaking up. And yet, I cannot be silent about what I am seeing. The truth is that the manner in which many gather to voice their support for Palestinians does more to hurt our cause than help it.
"You know what would help the Palestinians in Gaza? Condemning Hamas' atrocities. Instead, the protesters routinely chant their desire to "Globalize the Intifada." Apparently they do not realize that the Intifadas were disastrous for both Palestinians and Israelis, just as October 7 has been devastating for the people of Gaza...
"It's unconscionable. But it's not just the antisemitism that has me despairing. It's the hypocrisy. Where were these caring young people when Hamas took over Gaza and slaughtered hundreds of Gazans, or when Hamas held 2 million Gazans captive for more than 17 years? Why didn't they speak out about the fact that Hamas led Gazans into this conflict, which resulted in more than 30,000 dead and 80,000 injured, according to Gazan municipal authorities? Where were they when Hamas's failed missiles claimed the lives of hundreds of Gazans on October 17, or when Hamas murdered young people in order to steal aid and resell it to Gazans at massively inflated prices?"
You can read this whole letter here: https://www.newsweek.com/message-gazan-campus-protesters-youre-hurting-palestinian-cause-opinion-1894313
Have you ever asked yourself why Iranians stand with Israel? Or I should say Persians since they do not even want to be called Iranians.
https://khmezek.substack.com/p/why-iranian-dissidents-stand-with?utm_source=publication-search
But you didn't answer my question. Should Israel stop fighting for its survival? Of course, I agree situations are always taken advantage of by the elites. I write enough about this.
But if it's only about "our masters", should Israeli citizens just stop fighting and allow themselves to be slaughtered? If it is only about "our masters", if an invading army comes to rape and kill your children, will you just let them because it's all a manipulation and if you defend yourself, you are being way too violent, and merely doing what your masters want you to do?
At a certain point, when it comes to war, theorizing goes out the window and we face reality of life and death situations. The entire world should turn on Hamas. Gazans should turn on Hamas. It is Hamas that is committing genocide on its own people. Do you agree?
But please answer the question. Should the Jews allow themselves to be exterminated? I have been to Israel and their fighting spirit is incredible. I have been many places in the world, but never anywhere that had so much life because it was always so near to death. Do you deny that Hamas and Islamic extremists make it very clear that they will not stop until they have exterminated every Jew? Why do you not condemn them?
It is a horrible tragedy. No innocent person should ever die. However, why do you trust the numbers of the dead that Hamas gives, a terrorist organization that lies all the time?
Perhaps listen to what Dalia Ziaga has to say about this:
https://x.com/daliaziada/status/1825536864415019412
I disagree with so many of the points you have raised, yet simply do not have the time to systematically list and repudiate them. Like me, you have obviously spent considerable time studying this subject, which is extremely complex (particularly historically), but the bottom line for me is that Hamas (an Israeli intelligence asset) was not in a position to "exterminate" anyone - and certainly not a nuclear armed Israel, backed by the might fo the Anglo-American alliance. In fact, I would contend that by its opportunist invasion of Gaza, the Israeli state has made itself far more vulnerable in terms of existential and domestic threats to its survival than it was before October 7 last year.
That said, I truly appreciate you taking the time and trouble to explain where you are coming from on this vexacious issue, which is obviously from a very different place to this old guy. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
Amen
Amazing clear argument (or statement of facts)
There are multitudes of indegenous people who have lost their homelands throughout the existence of human history yet the UN has only reestablished a homeland for one. What makes the Jewish people any more special than for say any of the indian tribes in the US who were forcibly removed from their lands? Without the UN proclamation and US military assistance the state of Israel would not even exist.
Actually, the UN has an organization for all refugees: https://give.unrefugees.org/191101wint_mainpg_p_3000
However, did you know that the UN has one organization devoted entirely to the Palestinians--they are the only people given this attention. It is called UNRWA. If you want to find out more about this corrupt organization within the UN, please read my essay The Truth about UNRWA https://khmezek.substack.com/p/the-truth-about-unrwa?utm_source=publication-search
But you are talking about my exact point. Why aren't people concerned about the Kurds, for example. Because there are so many other injustices in the world, starting with the United States stealing land, should we treat Israelis unjustly too, just to make it even? Please read Christians & Jews, United with Israel https://khmezek.substack.com/p/christians-and-jews-united-with-israel to find out more about all of these injustices, because I have never ignored them, I want people to know since it makes no sense that everyone is obsessed with Israel while ignoring these terrible injustices. I give statistics and you will see that the majority of slaughtering is committed by Islamic extremists. Funnily enough, you won't find an extremist Jew going around slaughtering people in other countries. There are no knife attacks or suicide bombers in France, for example. Israelis want to have their homeland. Islamists make no secret that they want to expand across the world.
The Coming Caliphate: https://khmezek.substack.com/p/the-coming-caliphate
Hi Karen,
Hope you don't take offence but can I please ask if your support of Zionism stems, at least in part, due to religious reasons?
I understand you are not Jewish. Is that correct?
If so, would you describe yourself as what is referred as "evangelical Christian"?
Again, not meaning to cause offence, just trying to understand your worldview.
Are you aware of what Israel did to it's own JEWISH people during the days of the Green Pass...not to mention October 7?
https://rumble.com/v3ofv1h-horrific-incitement-against-unvaccinated-israelis-by-their-own-media-and-po.html
https://rumble.com/vr6ykv-police-brutality-at-an-israeli-protest-for-human-rights.html
https://youtu.be/4vKuB1su43c
https://rumble.com/v40upax-michal-rotenbergs-testimony-about-the-massacre-in-kfar-aza-on-october-7th-2.html
Also, where is the definition of a "Zionist" you provided is taken from if you don't mind me asking?
I should add, if you are not familiar with my writing, I lived in Luxor, Egypt for three years, from 2019, during Covid. I know the region very well. My family also escaped out of Egypt just days before the 6 Day War, I was ten years old and I know very well, the intense hatred toward Jews (and Americans) that is embedded into Muslims in the Middle East.
I am writing about this in The Egypt Files, here is the introduction: https://khmezek.substack.com/p/love-and-lies-on-the-nile-introduction
Thanks for this.
Lots to unpack so I will review and come back if I have more questions/points to discuss.
With regards to "the intense hatred toward Jews (and Americans) that is embedded into Muslims in the Middle East", what in your estimate is the primary reason for that "intense hatred"?
I should also add, in case you don't know, that a significant percentage of Israeli Jews who consider themselves as freedom-lovers (a.k.a. "Anti-vaxxers") are ARDENT Anti-Zionists now (especially after October 7) and publicly discuss their desire for the Zionist state to end.
Why do you think that is
They have many reasons to hate the West, to envy the West. You will find this complex sentiment throughout the world. You can find some examples of this in my essay Into the World.https://khmezek.substack.com/p/into-the-world.
Because I've written hundreds of essays by now dealing with all these topics, rather than write it all over again I reference my essays.
On a deeper level, there is a spiritual battle going on. Islam is diametrically opposed to Christianity and Judaism. It's too much to write here but you can listen to my dad talk about it in this video. If I already commented on this to you, I apologize. https://youtu.be/cNuEm_rO0aQ?si=1GJMnQmDNDmjMKfZ
Ok, thank you.
I think this last comment makes your position fairly clear. Each to their own.
Just curious if you held these views on Islam before you lived in Egypt?
Also, have you ever spent any significant time in Israel? Are you aware that there is a significant percentage of Israeli citizens who are Muslim?
Do you think this can remain going forward given "Islam is diametrically opposed to Christianity and Judaism" and there is a "spiritual battle going on"?
By the way, I really appreciate the respectful interaction so far.
Sorry to comment here. I’d argue that just because someone was smart enough to say no to the jab, they aren’t necessarily smart enough to recognize right from wrong at all times. People have blind spots even if they are aware of some they aren’t aware of all.
It is easy (and self-deluded) for people to ask Zionist Israelis to just disappear. Where to exactly, other than to the graves? There is a huge projection at play where everyone projects their own desires for peace and love and freedom (however they interpret it) onto others. Stick with bone hard facts and leave all emotion and projection aside when it comes to the ME.
You may want to consult the writings of Einat Wilf also, a former Israeli Leftist turned radical fact talker on everything Middle East. Anyway do check out Karen’s Egypt files also, they are really good. Enjoy!
you can look up the definition, it is easy to find on the internet.
I have written about what happened during Covid. Here is one place where I wrote about it.
World at War: https://khmezek.substack.com/p/world-at-war?utm_source=publication-search
During Covid Netanyahu sold his own Israeli people to Pfizer to be experimented on like lab rats.
“As part of the agreement with Pfizer, we decided that Israel will be a global model state for the rapid vaccination of an entire country,” Netanyahu said, adding that Israel will share data with the world that will “help develop strategies for defeating the coronavirus”.
If you want to find out the truth about data gathering, read one of my most important essays The Nefarious Goal Behind Covid Testing.
At the time, Netanyahu was on trial on charges of bribery, fraud and breach of trust. Covid was a game-changer for him, taking the focus off his personal troubles and allowing him to proclaim that he had signed agreements with Pfizer and Moderna. Perhaps he thinks that by forming this new emergency government with former Defense Minister Benny Gantz, signaling unity, he will again escape a reckoning.
I have written quite a bit criticizing my own government, such as How Anthrax & the War on Terror Brought Us to the Brink of WWIII https://khmezek.substack.com/p/the-big-picture-how-anthrax-and-the
To answer your question about my faith. I am a follower of Jesus. My father was the Christian author, Dave Hunt. I had my disagreements with my dad, but on Israel we agree. You can find out more in his talk Dave Hunt - ISRAEL: Biblical or False https://youtu.be/cNuEm_rO0aQ?si=jIqqlrxAlGWpJt0u
The Jewish people, like anyone else, deserve to live in a place of peace and freedom. The current alliance between Washington neocons and Zionist extremists is a concern for all of us. Let’s hope sanity prevails on all fronts 🙏🏽
I would agree with this dangerous push toward extremism. We are being forced into extreme camps so that we fight one another instead of the elites, I've written a lot about this. However, the obsession with Zionism is a danger because it is turning into a frenzy of hate and justification to demonize Jews. This is also extremism.
Agreed
I am a huge supporter of Isreal and the Jewish people. As a Christian who believes biblical prophecy points to a renewed Jewish nation of Isreal and a future of blessing for the Jewish people under the Messiah (The Lord and Savior Jesus Christ). All that said, zionism has its stranglehold on this nations politics, business and banking that has been largely destructive. That influence needs to be broken. The average Jewish person I have no qualms with.
Ouch, no! No country gets to choose its people's religion, and the US is NOT a "Christian nation"! This country was founded on the separation of church and state -- and FREEDOM of religion! Your definition of Zionist, and I have seen a few quite different than yours, is part of the reason that there are so many people saying, "I'm not anti-Israel, and I'm definitely not anti-Jew, I'm anti-Zionist"! Including USians well-aware of the US's lead in colonizing, eugenics, and genocide.
If the US were suddenly to become majority-Muslim, fine -- so long as the separation of church and state is maintained! Ditto for that idea of a "Christian nation, or our pretend need to "get back to God" as if that God held the patent on morality. The Crusades, the gleeful killing of Indigenous North Americans and the enslavement of African people under the guise of God's decreed Manifest Destiny, and the burning of women healers tell otherwise.
Does Israel as a nation-state have the right to exist? Of course. Is Israel a land created to be for the safety of Jewish people in a region that is heavily Muslim? And Arab? Yes, and yes. But if your "safety" is built upon the intolerance of, disdain for, and exclusion of others, you're losing massive world support. And you deserve to.
This has nothing to do with religion. In Israel as in the US anyone is free to practice their religion. I believe firmly in separation of church and state. This is about basic fundamental principles. That's why I included Greek. But historically, it was Christians who can to America and took over the land! ouch! Not good, right? Should we give it back?
FYI, most Jews I know are not even religious. Many Israelis are not religious. But they are still Jews. And they are still persecuted
Sincerely, what people were in America before people settled there? I'm not sure but I think many of the ancient people were nomadic.
If a person or people show up to an area that's uninhabited is it theirs? IDK.
People have fought over lands since the dawn of creation.
I'm pretty sure even before the Europeans arrived in America there was fighting for land among the people. Who rightfully even owns the lands?
I believe that people need to coexist peacefully together.
Many can't even get along with the next door neighbors!
I sure do wish everyone well and really hope and pray they can stop the fighting but it's not for me to solve. I wish I could.
I know if I don't pay the government they will come and take "my land".
I paid for it but I don't own it.
I appears those with the largest military owns it.
A good point
Muslims excluded from Israel?!? Where are you getting your info? There are Muslim members of the Knesset, even.
Pardon me but why the USS LIBERTY?
I don't agree because I know the history behind the creation of the country Israel. The Roschields buying lands there and how the jewish in Europe didn't want to move to that forsaken place when they've been very well assimilated to the European culture already but then we have WWII and now they have a motive to move there because they are being persecuted. The example you gave about America and the Christians, mainly white puritans and I will add freemasons is not comparable because the States were a colony and we cannot make historical revisionist going back without understanding the historical moment. The powers who created Israel didn't take over a colony. The English empire had colonies everywhere and still has, contrary to the Spanish empire who made the territories part of the kingdom of Spain with equal rights, its provinces. Now let see if the Aztecs want to come back to their dominions and continue with their sacrifices, let's them because they have been in the continent first and for more than 3000 years so lets do a country for the Aztecs and the Mayans and the Olmecs, what about the Cheyenes and the Pueblo Indian that are in NM and Arizona. We cannot go back in history and make territories reasoning that they were there first, Imperialism and taking over far lands was "the thing" at that historical moment, Darwinism, that is mainly a racist and eugenics ideology, helped to justify it. The question we must ask ourselves is why the jewish people never had a country before (yes, I read the OT) and why now is so important that they have one? About the claim that Israel is worry to be invaded by its enemies, I don't believe they are. Israel has a very powerful surveillance system called the IRON DOME so the notion that a parachute could crossed the Israeli sky without been noticed by Israel forces, is very unbelievable. Yes, I have been in Israel and had a good time and the food is amazing and probably we should have a Christian country there too, after all we have been there 2024 years and our spiritual father is Abraham and we have rights to be there since inmemorial times too, no so sure about the Muslim who came around the seven century but the Arabs probably have rights also, to found a country there because they are cousins of the jews. They are the descendants of Ishmael, also son of Abraham who had with his slave Hagar. Just some thoughts, geopolitical topics are very interesting indeed. Thanks!
Perhaps you have read Ilan Pappe’s books on Israel, Karen. If so, however, I would expect a deeper, more nuanced perspective from you on the subject of Zionism.
Well said
Thank you for this common sense post.
One Jewish historian, Professor Shlomo Sand (Hebrew University) has written a compelling book (The Invention of the Kewish People) answering Karen’s question (What is a Zionist) in detail.
not just one--no no, he's a famous self-hating "joo" an' many have debunked his fake claims (he also compares yiddish to speaking like "yoda")--but he has good company--many self-hatin' joos (includin' Arthur Koestler--who was a spook for BOTH the CIA and MI6 no less) wrote a doozie. There's no shortage (sadly fer some've us) of self-hatin' choos who loudly renounce their faith an' all connections with it an' denigrate their people BETTER even than those lookin' in from the outside! They are like the white SJW's crying about their white-oppressor status, bending over backwards to apologize to the black an' bipoc folks, beggin' their forgiveness an' in a few cases--invitin' them in their apts (that didn't turn out well but the intentions were good). self-flagellation is a thing....
If yer a fan of Sand that's fine--just sayin' to most joos he's a kook that makes up stuff... but as I said, he's in good company!
one more fer the wreck-hurds (the father of anti-zionism is...yup... a choo)
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/history/articles/origins-of-anti-zionism
Tying Hand to Koestler’s second rate work is standard hasbara. As Hand points out in his afterword, in fact the Kazar history, which is scrupulously ignored now as inconvenient (but very human), was first put forward long before Koestler by both Israeli Minister of Education Dinur and US Jewish historian Saul Baron (or are they self loathing Jews also now?). Hand’s book is a thoughtful examination, by no means self hating, and not something to be dismissed with mere Twitter tactics.
fwiw it was Sand who defended Koestler an' claimed Israel suppressed the "Khazarian" theories to "hide the truth"--
readin' on Sand:
https://forward.com/culture/206656/how-i-stopped-reading-shlomo-sands-crackpot-memoir/
like I said, most joos consider him a crackpot NO less crackpotty than Koestler--an' no, this ain't "twitter tactics" (I don't even have an account)--of course yer hearin' this from a crackpot so feel free ta take it or leave it (I assume you'll stick with the latter)
Here's a little food fer thought from one (of many) individuals who have taken time to refute Mister Sand who claims he is not even a joo cuz joos don't exist:
A. There is evidence of the exiles (footnotes 1 2 3 4 cited below)
1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_captivity#Archaeological_and_other_non-Biblical_evidence
2 http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/science/10jews.html
3 http://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2013/12/20/new-genetic-study-more-evidence-for-modern-ashkenazi-jews-ancient-hebrew-patrimony/
4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_captivity#Assyrian_cuneiform
B. Multiple genetic studies have shown that the Jewish communities of the world are more closely related to each other than they are to the populations where they live - and that they share a common ancestry originating roughly 4000 years ago.
(footnotes 1 2 3 4 same as above and also 5)
5. http://www.einstein.yu.edu/news/releases/824/new-study-defines-the-genetic-map-of-the-jewish-diasporas/
C. Astonishingly, Sand provided no evidence to support his theory - and given that his previous two assertions have been thoroughly disproved, his theory become absurd.
D. All Jewish communities share a common call of a "Return to a rebuilt Jerusalem" that is found in their prayer texts. The debate within Judaism has always been if the return is a task assigned to the people to complete or an act of redemption that God will perform.
E. Sand denies the many genetic studies (14 and countin') that prove joos are all related to each other an' have DNA that goes back to the Levant that's distinct from Arab DNA... even joo-hatin' David Duke has publicly acknowledge--to his great regret--that this is true as he looked at the studies himeself in HOPE to prove joos are an invented people... now some believe all DNA is bunk so there's that...
And....
https://www.camera.org/article/book-review-the-invention-of-the-jewish-people/
Some folks prefer ta shuck DNA, history (biblical, historical, written) an' put their faith in a French scholar who has a "great theory" they like despite havin' literally no expertise in the matter (said by many better informed than I!) .... their choice, always.
Anyone can like whomever they wish an' shout it out ta the rafters.... but Sand is simply a "theorist" an' doesn't have the receipts historians an' scientists DO have.
So I'll just put this out in the ether fer all ta consider an' agree ta disagree... (don't wanna argue my take on Sand any further--those who wish ta defend 'im are perfectly in their right ta do so!) peace out