My dad did not like him. He really blasted his film The Passion of the Christ. Focusing on glorifying the human suffering rather than the real reason why Jesus was on the cross. I inherited my dad's critical nature, lol. Losing more paid subscribers today!
My dad did not like him. He really blasted his film The Passion of the Christ. Focusing on glorifying the human suffering rather than the real reason why Jesus was on the cross. I inherited my dad's critical nature, lol. Losing more paid subscribers today!
oh no, sorry 'bout the paid subs... I know, I git this too--had ta fight off a few haters on my stack jus' this week.. unsubscribes as well...
Interestin' what'cha say 'bout the film an' yer dad's view--never sawr it but I know it's "blame da joos" angle was not so kind an' Gibson said some nasty stuff that couldn't "not" be included in the overall impression w/ the film...
I read a purdy cool article recently from a jewish scholar--about how Jesus didn't abandon either his jooish roots or judaism but made--as this scholar framed it--a "new Judaism for Christians" based on certain areas where he differed from the Pharisees (who had both good an' bad pernts to 'em from all I gather). From all this scholar said, Jesus didn't condemn the jewish people (as some insist) NOR those who practiced judaism (as some insist) but instead jus' wanted ta build upon judaism with certain changes & new additions that he felt right from his own singular vision...
I think some Christians might not feel too kindly 'bout this take... the article if I recall was all positive...
It also seems ta center 'round the controversial figure of Paul (controversial to joos & gentile alike it seems! so I larned...) -- if ye search the text "New Perspective on Paul" in this piece some of the talk comes up...
I haven't yet really dug inta it an' cannot make any kinda informed opinion but it's interestin' that (for those not offended at the thought) if we look at Christianity as more of an extension of Judaism that yet honors an' follows most (albeit not all) Mosaic "laws" (just as Judaism has some branches that differ deeply...an' indeed some branches no longer follow all of Mosaic law--eg. allowin' gay rabbis is one example) --but anywhoo... if one looks at Christianity as a "New Judaism" that does not wanna erase the old one but just wants ta "do it differently" fer those that wanna foller him vs as a faith that was formed to oppose & condemn judaism or at least forcefully repudiate it... it's (to me) both a more welcome perspective (of course!) but also one that would likely soothe some savage nerves in both faiths...
(I wasn't myself ever taught that Christianity was formed to crush "evil" Judaism but I've met many Christians who seem ta have been taught this perspective an' so their anger against joos makes sense in the religious framework too... as if their faith leads 'em to condemn all jews)...
I better git a goin' as my girls are callin' me over---sendin' blessin's an' I simply STILL cannot imagine why a man of hate (Gibson) is bein' held up as a shinin' example of goodness (rumor in tinsel town is he's also --or at least wuz--a heavy drinker... an' mean drunks skeer me!)
Gibson is part of the Chrsitian Nationialism, and the offshoot of Catholicism like Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson. I was raised that Jesus came to fulfill the law, he is the Messiah, a fulfillment of prophesy and as you say, in a sense, an extension of Judaism or rather a fulfillment of it. In no way did he ever condemn Jews, he was a Jew.
many thanks fer 'splainin' Karen--see I didn't grow up "understandin' " HOW there were these angry "haters" as they say--I didn't know it wuz called "Christian Nationalism" but yes, folks like Gibson, Owens, an' sadly Tucker too. I always had Christian friends incl. Catholics--we never talked much 'bout religion ('cept we all were not fans've Sunday skool lol) BUT I never understood why some Catholics were fine w/ jewish friends an' others the polar oppy-sit. That's so nice ta hear yer sayin' it that he didn't condemn jews--just as I read that article an' liked it muchly!
What exactly is "Christian Nationalism"? All I've heard about it is the left-wing reference to Christians who are patriotic as well. WHO are they, exactly, and how do we know those people are part of that "group"? I am not Catholic and don't know if those particular people are or not, but how do "Christian Nationalist" views differ from regular Christian views? And who are they, exactly?
And, btw, my Dad was a Southern Baptist missionary and I believe as you do about Jesus, who He is and what His mission encompassed, just for reference.
But don't you think that the human suffering is what PEOPLE can relate to? The fact that He was willing to go through that FOR us, when the only possible reason could have been God's limitless love and mercy for us? How could the other have been portrayed in a movie?
never sawr the film but heard it was all quite gory & negative--it wuz not 'bout the teachin's of Jesus or love or mercy at all but (I recall) more on the evil ones that dun'im in ruthlessly i.e. the joos so that's why some joos don't love Mel (it's way more complicated in reality--mebbe more nuanced in the film too but I heard not). So I guess havin' a plot that sez "look at the evil folks that killed our lord" angle an' how we were all made ta suffer fer it-- vs "look at glory of God" an' the goodness of Jesus is a matter of choice fer any director-- Again, I did not see it so I'm only reflectin' on it--Karen would be a better one ta opine... but as ye know--one same story kin be told 100 or more different ways... from different perspectives, etc.
Other than the Sword & Sandal films of old Hollywood (many quite good!) I cain't say I know many of the films about Jesus but I know well the musical Godspell an' it's lovely. It tells the tale of Jesus & his sad end with parables & stories of his "good" teachin's -- all from the Gospel of Matthew as a perspective.
It's beautiful, the music, the performances an' fer me it's also a love song ta NYC (where the performance of the tale--the story within a story takes place). It's created by jews so I cain't opine on accuracy in terms of "gospel"--but in it we find much that touches the heart an' none of hate. So mebbe it's that... even tho' the moosical & film of it (same) ends with Jesus dyin' on the cross... the focus is not on sufferin' but ruther on the teachin's... hope that makes sense (?)
My dad did not like him. He really blasted his film The Passion of the Christ. Focusing on glorifying the human suffering rather than the real reason why Jesus was on the cross. I inherited my dad's critical nature, lol. Losing more paid subscribers today!
oh no, sorry 'bout the paid subs... I know, I git this too--had ta fight off a few haters on my stack jus' this week.. unsubscribes as well...
Interestin' what'cha say 'bout the film an' yer dad's view--never sawr it but I know it's "blame da joos" angle was not so kind an' Gibson said some nasty stuff that couldn't "not" be included in the overall impression w/ the film...
I read a purdy cool article recently from a jewish scholar--about how Jesus didn't abandon either his jooish roots or judaism but made--as this scholar framed it--a "new Judaism for Christians" based on certain areas where he differed from the Pharisees (who had both good an' bad pernts to 'em from all I gather). From all this scholar said, Jesus didn't condemn the jewish people (as some insist) NOR those who practiced judaism (as some insist) but instead jus' wanted ta build upon judaism with certain changes & new additions that he felt right from his own singular vision...
I think some Christians might not feel too kindly 'bout this take... the article if I recall was all positive...
It also seems ta center 'round the controversial figure of Paul (controversial to joos & gentile alike it seems! so I larned...) -- if ye search the text "New Perspective on Paul" in this piece some of the talk comes up...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle_and_Jewish_Christianity
I haven't yet really dug inta it an' cannot make any kinda informed opinion but it's interestin' that (for those not offended at the thought) if we look at Christianity as more of an extension of Judaism that yet honors an' follows most (albeit not all) Mosaic "laws" (just as Judaism has some branches that differ deeply...an' indeed some branches no longer follow all of Mosaic law--eg. allowin' gay rabbis is one example) --but anywhoo... if one looks at Christianity as a "New Judaism" that does not wanna erase the old one but just wants ta "do it differently" fer those that wanna foller him vs as a faith that was formed to oppose & condemn judaism or at least forcefully repudiate it... it's (to me) both a more welcome perspective (of course!) but also one that would likely soothe some savage nerves in both faiths...
(I wasn't myself ever taught that Christianity was formed to crush "evil" Judaism but I've met many Christians who seem ta have been taught this perspective an' so their anger against joos makes sense in the religious framework too... as if their faith leads 'em to condemn all jews)...
I better git a goin' as my girls are callin' me over---sendin' blessin's an' I simply STILL cannot imagine why a man of hate (Gibson) is bein' held up as a shinin' example of goodness (rumor in tinsel town is he's also --or at least wuz--a heavy drinker... an' mean drunks skeer me!)
Gibson is part of the Chrsitian Nationialism, and the offshoot of Catholicism like Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson. I was raised that Jesus came to fulfill the law, he is the Messiah, a fulfillment of prophesy and as you say, in a sense, an extension of Judaism or rather a fulfillment of it. In no way did he ever condemn Jews, he was a Jew.
many thanks fer 'splainin' Karen--see I didn't grow up "understandin' " HOW there were these angry "haters" as they say--I didn't know it wuz called "Christian Nationalism" but yes, folks like Gibson, Owens, an' sadly Tucker too. I always had Christian friends incl. Catholics--we never talked much 'bout religion ('cept we all were not fans've Sunday skool lol) BUT I never understood why some Catholics were fine w/ jewish friends an' others the polar oppy-sit. That's so nice ta hear yer sayin' it that he didn't condemn jews--just as I read that article an' liked it muchly!
What exactly is "Christian Nationalism"? All I've heard about it is the left-wing reference to Christians who are patriotic as well. WHO are they, exactly, and how do we know those people are part of that "group"? I am not Catholic and don't know if those particular people are or not, but how do "Christian Nationalist" views differ from regular Christian views? And who are they, exactly?
And, btw, my Dad was a Southern Baptist missionary and I believe as you do about Jesus, who He is and what His mission encompassed, just for reference.
But don't you think that the human suffering is what PEOPLE can relate to? The fact that He was willing to go through that FOR us, when the only possible reason could have been God's limitless love and mercy for us? How could the other have been portrayed in a movie?
never sawr the film but heard it was all quite gory & negative--it wuz not 'bout the teachin's of Jesus or love or mercy at all but (I recall) more on the evil ones that dun'im in ruthlessly i.e. the joos so that's why some joos don't love Mel (it's way more complicated in reality--mebbe more nuanced in the film too but I heard not). So I guess havin' a plot that sez "look at the evil folks that killed our lord" angle an' how we were all made ta suffer fer it-- vs "look at glory of God" an' the goodness of Jesus is a matter of choice fer any director-- Again, I did not see it so I'm only reflectin' on it--Karen would be a better one ta opine... but as ye know--one same story kin be told 100 or more different ways... from different perspectives, etc.
Other than the Sword & Sandal films of old Hollywood (many quite good!) I cain't say I know many of the films about Jesus but I know well the musical Godspell an' it's lovely. It tells the tale of Jesus & his sad end with parables & stories of his "good" teachin's -- all from the Gospel of Matthew as a perspective.
It's beautiful, the music, the performances an' fer me it's also a love song ta NYC (where the performance of the tale--the story within a story takes place). It's created by jews so I cain't opine on accuracy in terms of "gospel"--but in it we find much that touches the heart an' none of hate. So mebbe it's that... even tho' the moosical & film of it (same) ends with Jesus dyin' on the cross... the focus is not on sufferin' but ruther on the teachin's... hope that makes sense (?)
It makes sense. :) And the one you describe sounds lovely. I didn't see either. I'm just trying to understand the feelings.