Karen, aren't you missing the point that your reaction is exactly the one those controlling events want you to have? That there are forces at play here way beyond the idea of one group of humans wanting to wipe out another group, and this meaning we just have to figure out who are the greatest victims and therefore who are the worst perp…
Karen, aren't you missing the point that your reaction is exactly the one those controlling events want you to have? That there are forces at play here way beyond the idea of one group of humans wanting to wipe out another group, and this meaning we just have to figure out who are the greatest victims and therefore who are the worst perpetrators, and we simply take them out, collateral damage be damned? Isn't this exactly how the Nazis approached the Jews?
First it isn't exactly how the Nazis approached the Jews because the Jews were not led by a terrorist organization inside Germany, funded by surrounding nations that hated Germans, and that was trying to exterminate Germans and attacking them constantly, and there are many other dissimilarities, too many to go into here. That distinction aside, I think I made it clear how humanity got to this point and the only outcome of Israel invading Palestine will not be a good one. On the other hand, what should they do? As I say, should they sit passively and allow themselves to be exterminated? It's easy for us to talk theoretically about it but as I've said in other writings on war, when it comes to your doorstep all the theories go out the window and you fight to defend your own--while the elites who profit from war look on and don't care how many die. If you've never been in an actual physical fight, it's hard to understand the brutality of the situation. If volleys of rockets were constantly hitting your neighborhood, what happened in history and how you got there (taking land from Native Americans for example) won't matter. You will try stop them. I know I will get grief for what I'm writing here. I know it's hard to take in. I think I was clear on where the blame should be put and how it is always the ordinary people who suffer for it. It is quite chilling to see how this has been foretold in the Bible but it's also hard to write about that since most people won't accept it. So, I do the best I can.
100%, Karen! I also lived in the Middle East (Libya) during the 6Day War and for many years after that. I think it gives us a different perspective than most. Your post was one of the most well thought out, reasonable takes on the situation that I’ve read (and I’ve read a lot). In this situation, as in many others of late, my core instinct is to look at 1. Who funds this? 2. Who supports this worldwide? 3. What are the alternative actions? 4. What would I do?
On a personal level, it’s impossible for me to support any organization being touted by the same radical leftists that brought us, or supported, the Covid lockdown hysteria, BLM, Antifa, etc.
It wasn't just "radical leftists", though, was it? On the contrary. The Israeli government can hardly be described as such, nor the British. It's way too easy for the left to blame the right and the right the left, and many of us don't even know what those terms mean anymore. But it's clear that this is what we are supposed to be doing.
One cannot assess the situation without asking the questions: Why are Jews in Palestine? After all, 30 percent of the inhabitants were Jewish before 1947.
And if they belong there, why is it that a lot more Jews choose NOT to live in Israel?
In general, I don't believe that there is such a group as "the Jews," but the situation in Israel clearly demonstrates that divergent cultures don't do well together (even Jewry is not exactly homogeneous). One of them always dominates.
Karen, I wrote that the approach taken is the same. The mentality that these people are a such a threat to us that we can dehumanise them and therefore excuse killing them. I get that many people are terrified that Hamas will somehow destroy Israel is Israel doesn't destroy Hamas first, but I still do not get how this is possible when Israel has the USA behind it and a nuclear arsenal. Destroying Gaza is only more likely, not less, to get other Arab powers involved, resulting in a much worse situation for Israel. But I guess we'll see...
Karen, aren't you missing the point that your reaction is exactly the one those controlling events want you to have? That there are forces at play here way beyond the idea of one group of humans wanting to wipe out another group, and this meaning we just have to figure out who are the greatest victims and therefore who are the worst perpetrators, and we simply take them out, collateral damage be damned? Isn't this exactly how the Nazis approached the Jews?
First it isn't exactly how the Nazis approached the Jews because the Jews were not led by a terrorist organization inside Germany, funded by surrounding nations that hated Germans, and that was trying to exterminate Germans and attacking them constantly, and there are many other dissimilarities, too many to go into here. That distinction aside, I think I made it clear how humanity got to this point and the only outcome of Israel invading Palestine will not be a good one. On the other hand, what should they do? As I say, should they sit passively and allow themselves to be exterminated? It's easy for us to talk theoretically about it but as I've said in other writings on war, when it comes to your doorstep all the theories go out the window and you fight to defend your own--while the elites who profit from war look on and don't care how many die. If you've never been in an actual physical fight, it's hard to understand the brutality of the situation. If volleys of rockets were constantly hitting your neighborhood, what happened in history and how you got there (taking land from Native Americans for example) won't matter. You will try stop them. I know I will get grief for what I'm writing here. I know it's hard to take in. I think I was clear on where the blame should be put and how it is always the ordinary people who suffer for it. It is quite chilling to see how this has been foretold in the Bible but it's also hard to write about that since most people won't accept it. So, I do the best I can.
100%, Karen! I also lived in the Middle East (Libya) during the 6Day War and for many years after that. I think it gives us a different perspective than most. Your post was one of the most well thought out, reasonable takes on the situation that I’ve read (and I’ve read a lot). In this situation, as in many others of late, my core instinct is to look at 1. Who funds this? 2. Who supports this worldwide? 3. What are the alternative actions? 4. What would I do?
On a personal level, it’s impossible for me to support any organization being touted by the same radical leftists that brought us, or supported, the Covid lockdown hysteria, BLM, Antifa, etc.
It wasn't just "radical leftists", though, was it? On the contrary. The Israeli government can hardly be described as such, nor the British. It's way too easy for the left to blame the right and the right the left, and many of us don't even know what those terms mean anymore. But it's clear that this is what we are supposed to be doing.
One cannot assess the situation without asking the questions: Why are Jews in Palestine? After all, 30 percent of the inhabitants were Jewish before 1947.
And if they belong there, why is it that a lot more Jews choose NOT to live in Israel?
In general, I don't believe that there is such a group as "the Jews," but the situation in Israel clearly demonstrates that divergent cultures don't do well together (even Jewry is not exactly homogeneous). One of them always dominates.
The most sensible comment in this entire thread.
Karen, I wrote that the approach taken is the same. The mentality that these people are a such a threat to us that we can dehumanise them and therefore excuse killing them. I get that many people are terrified that Hamas will somehow destroy Israel is Israel doesn't destroy Hamas first, but I still do not get how this is possible when Israel has the USA behind it and a nuclear arsenal. Destroying Gaza is only more likely, not less, to get other Arab powers involved, resulting in a much worse situation for Israel. But I guess we'll see...