You know Karen, when I grew up the term was hermaphrodite.
I googled the difference between intersex and hermaphrodite and found that intersex is basically the woke definition of the other - the current “politically correct” term, if you may. And if you dare say hermaphrodite you are being derogatory and stigmatizing. Oh, and hermaphrodite, the word, it just doesn’t exist ! So, put that into the gee whiz, no wonder nobody the hell knows what is going on !
Very crazy times. Suddenly words that were used for years become derogatory. And eventually the words that replace the derogatory words become derogatory and the original word is back in style. Ridiculous
The correct up to date term is disorder or difference of sexual development. Both 'hermaphrodite' and 'intersex' imply that some people are of both sexes but this is impossible in humans and other mammals.
Basically if it's any variation that includes the 'y', it's a guy.
I believe you may be correct on the “disorder”. To get away from calling the boxers trans, they were being referred to as intersex. In any event this is what I was referring to -
That site gives credence to the illogical, unscientific notion of 'gender identity' though so I would not be too invested in that info.
Here's the https://isna.org/node/1066/ site in which 'intersex' people refer to DSDs. The site is no longer operative but refers to other sides of use.
I think the most up to date version is Difference in Sexual Development. “Disorder” was discarded for being a stigmatizing term. I wonder what will happen when “difference” becomes too stigmatizing…?
I wouldn't use the word monstrosities for people who can't help how they are born. But the point is well taken. Different times we live in where things are purposely not clear.
I will vote for Trump in the next election, but what he says will never be gospel! Still, the truth of this issue is not that difficult. Bach is another example of poor credentialed leadership that is all too prevalent.
We know what a woman is and what it is not. There should be a consistent, genetically driven protocol in sports to ensure women and men compete against their own biological class, that’s all.
I wonder though if Khelif knows who she/he is, exactly. Is it possible he/she doesn’t?
When I was cancelled from the Morning Star in February 2020, it was for a cartoon about the dangers of men invading women's spaces. I called my cartoon "Endgame" and in my covering email to the Editor, I said it was because I felt that this current struggle for Women's Rights could be the end of Feminism.
Appreciating the consistency and drilling down into the details of this multi layered story. This builds journalistic trust — something sorely missing in western mainstream culture.
I wuz purdy upset to learn that Khelif is fairly NEW to boxing unlike the gals who've been trainin' for many years. That would speak to a huge advantage "of some sort"--an' "her" record isn't even all that stellar--so how did she make it this far? It all seems topsy turvy! The voice is (imho) male--as is the "look" in the sports outfits... The one "prettied up" is SO photoshopped / AI'd--it's not even real--It's like when PeeWee Herman (Paul Rubens) in his 60's got "young-i-fied" so he could do one last moovie--but he had the good humor ta joke about it (he also had to tape back his jowels even with the AI!). Problem is, anyone can use software to lie-- I also worry that one day (not too far off) they'd let "non humans" inta the ring--who says a robot ain't human? They gave that robot a passport AND a driver's license! Nobuddy's gonna look under the "hood" ta see the engine (chips, springs) so it's all 'bout what they say--that robot was "raised" as a female... let'er rip... egads!
What would "prove" Imane is female? (nope, not an Algerian State ID lol) If the chromosomes are "wrong" then what sez "female"-- if that was shown I'd eat my words (or my hat) but I sense there's stuff the olympic judges don't want revealed... whatta mess... but I'm waiting fer the robots vs the rest of us... sounds like a movie plot waitn' ta happen too!
two X chromosomes, was sufficient to define a woman in all the times since before their was the internet. Propaganda depends on redefining words to give them new meanings or destroy the old meanings.
Realize 90 per cent or more of what is presented in the news and comments on main stream websites, is propaganda. It is meant to make you think the whole world thinks a certain way, and therefore you should as well.
It works quite well on most people who beleive all they are told and hold no higher desire than to "fit in", it is the price for entrance into the realm of normalicy they hold dear. it is the currency of the realm, it is "their Truth".
Disregard the lies you see, and do not comply with their strange desires to warp the world. it robs them of their only power.
To stop all this controversy, why don’t they have an Olympics specially for trans people? (People who are tested and have different chromosomes to their opponent) Similar to the paralympics…
I really don’t understand what arguments people can bring against it. Surely there is no glory to be felt in beating opponents who are of the “weaker” sex.
I can’t see how anyone could argue that it’s not inclusive either. After all that’s why we don’t (or should I say “didn’t”?) have women soccer players playing against men, or children running in an adults race.
Surely it’s much more satisfactory to know you’ve beaten someone who is physically (the same sex) your equal.
People who know the difference between a woman and a man may not watch the 2028 Olympics...if they are held. As we have understood for years - Ignorance Is Bliss for those who don't know the difference..
This is a really interesting conversation about DSDs and the physical development of humans from the fetus right the way through to athletes entering for training and competition.
You know Karen, when I grew up the term was hermaphrodite.
I googled the difference between intersex and hermaphrodite and found that intersex is basically the woke definition of the other - the current “politically correct” term, if you may. And if you dare say hermaphrodite you are being derogatory and stigmatizing. Oh, and hermaphrodite, the word, it just doesn’t exist ! So, put that into the gee whiz, no wonder nobody the hell knows what is going on !
Very crazy times. Suddenly words that were used for years become derogatory. And eventually the words that replace the derogatory words become derogatory and the original word is back in style. Ridiculous
The correct up to date term is disorder or difference of sexual development. Both 'hermaphrodite' and 'intersex' imply that some people are of both sexes but this is impossible in humans and other mammals.
Basically if it's any variation that includes the 'y', it's a guy.
I believe you may be correct on the “disorder”. To get away from calling the boxers trans, they were being referred to as intersex. In any event this is what I was referring to -
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/16324-intersex
That site gives credence to the illogical, unscientific notion of 'gender identity' though so I would not be too invested in that info.
Here's the https://isna.org/node/1066/ site in which 'intersex' people refer to DSDs. The site is no longer operative but refers to other sides of use.
You may also find this interesting: https://web.archive.org/web/20201030000501/https://medium.com/@radfemflareon/the-intersex-masterpost-bb5a6250e6d6
There are several intersex activists on Twitter/X that have been helpful in informing around this issue from their personal point of view.
I think the most up to date version is Difference in Sexual Development. “Disorder” was discarded for being a stigmatizing term. I wonder what will happen when “difference” becomes too stigmatizing…?
XX Two X Chromosomes. Science not stupid. They are not only denying women but they are trying to erase women. All part of depop.
<Twilight Zone music>
Imagine, if you will, a world where,,
《Insert today's world here》😵💫😳
“Rules should be made to keep the competitive games for normal feminine girls and not monstrosities"
–Avery Brundage 1936, First IOC president
I wouldn't use the word monstrosities for people who can't help how they are born. But the point is well taken. Different times we live in where things are purposely not clear.
I will vote for Trump in the next election, but what he says will never be gospel! Still, the truth of this issue is not that difficult. Bach is another example of poor credentialed leadership that is all too prevalent.
We know what a woman is and what it is not. There should be a consistent, genetically driven protocol in sports to ensure women and men compete against their own biological class, that’s all.
I wonder though if Khelif knows who she/he is, exactly. Is it possible he/she doesn’t?
This is a good point and why we should not judge. We don't know the effects growing up hadon Khelif and especially in that culture.
Careful! You’re very close to saying not all cultures are equal 😘
Seriously, we need to make Common Sense Great Again!
All cultures are equal; some are more equal than others.
Keeping people off balance is a classic way to disempower them. There’s a war going on against women.
Yep
When I was cancelled from the Morning Star in February 2020, it was for a cartoon about the dangers of men invading women's spaces. I called my cartoon "Endgame" and in my covering email to the Editor, I said it was because I felt that this current struggle for Women's Rights could be the end of Feminism.
You can see the cartoon here: https://www.faircop.org.uk/case-studies/stella-perrett/
That’s terrible! This whole idea of hate crime without being able to see your accuser is ridiculous!
Thank you Karen for your perseverance on this......but God.
Maranatha!!
Maranatha my friend !
MEN ARE USUALLY —
C L E A R ABOUT THEMSELVES ••
— “ A WOMAN I S A N
IGNIGMA
Well that's true 😉
Appreciating the consistency and drilling down into the details of this multi layered story. This builds journalistic trust — something sorely missing in western mainstream culture.
I wuz purdy upset to learn that Khelif is fairly NEW to boxing unlike the gals who've been trainin' for many years. That would speak to a huge advantage "of some sort"--an' "her" record isn't even all that stellar--so how did she make it this far? It all seems topsy turvy! The voice is (imho) male--as is the "look" in the sports outfits... The one "prettied up" is SO photoshopped / AI'd--it's not even real--It's like when PeeWee Herman (Paul Rubens) in his 60's got "young-i-fied" so he could do one last moovie--but he had the good humor ta joke about it (he also had to tape back his jowels even with the AI!). Problem is, anyone can use software to lie-- I also worry that one day (not too far off) they'd let "non humans" inta the ring--who says a robot ain't human? They gave that robot a passport AND a driver's license! Nobuddy's gonna look under the "hood" ta see the engine (chips, springs) so it's all 'bout what they say--that robot was "raised" as a female... let'er rip... egads!
What would "prove" Imane is female? (nope, not an Algerian State ID lol) If the chromosomes are "wrong" then what sez "female"-- if that was shown I'd eat my words (or my hat) but I sense there's stuff the olympic judges don't want revealed... whatta mess... but I'm waiting fer the robots vs the rest of us... sounds like a movie plot waitn' ta happen too!
two X chromosomes, was sufficient to define a woman in all the times since before their was the internet. Propaganda depends on redefining words to give them new meanings or destroy the old meanings.
Realize 90 per cent or more of what is presented in the news and comments on main stream websites, is propaganda. It is meant to make you think the whole world thinks a certain way, and therefore you should as well.
It works quite well on most people who beleive all they are told and hold no higher desire than to "fit in", it is the price for entrance into the realm of normalicy they hold dear. it is the currency of the realm, it is "their Truth".
Disregard the lies you see, and do not comply with their strange desires to warp the world. it robs them of their only power.
To stop all this controversy, why don’t they have an Olympics specially for trans people? (People who are tested and have different chromosomes to their opponent) Similar to the paralympics…
I really don’t understand what arguments people can bring against it. Surely there is no glory to be felt in beating opponents who are of the “weaker” sex.
I can’t see how anyone could argue that it’s not inclusive either. After all that’s why we don’t (or should I say “didn’t”?) have women soccer players playing against men, or children running in an adults race.
Surely it’s much more satisfactory to know you’ve beaten someone who is physically (the same sex) your equal.
People who know the difference between a woman and a man may not watch the 2028 Olympics...if they are held. As we have understood for years - Ignorance Is Bliss for those who don't know the difference..
This is a really interesting conversation about DSDs and the physical development of humans from the fetus right the way through to athletes entering for training and competition.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_9rynD9KlU0