This is no different than having people come into your home uninvited. It is an invasion...not a protest. And if they want to protest, do it on public, not private property. This is a church home...supported by the people of the church for worshipping Christ. Nobody deserves to be disrespected in this way. They are violating the rights of these people and need to be brought to court to settle this, so it does not happen again.
I serve on my security team at my church here in Tucson, where was that churchs security? That would not happen at my church,we train all year long in descalation, hostage situation,active shooter, use of deadly force.There is a large group of churchs here in Az that are part of The Az Church Security Network. All members have extensive background check, C.C.W , considerable range training,etc. Christans better stand up to this pure evil or we loose this amazing REPUBLIC. GOD BLESS YOU SISTER!
You're right. It is sad that it has come to this. I think it's just a matter of many churches realizing they need to catch up with these dangerous times. Synagogues do this. Women and men train. My friend and all others in her synagogue trained in Krav Maga.
If this continues, there WILL be an “incident”. I am willing to bet that at my church here in Texas, that would have gone down very differently. Sooner or later, they’ll cross a line there’s no going back from.
The fear this engenders is palpable. Having zero common decency, trespassing, intimidating. More demonstrations of the culture of "it's all about ME ME ME. Other people have no rights as long as they are standing in MY way, of what I want. And by the way if you stand in MY way I might have to resort to VIOLENCE."
Exactly. Ever since Covid we have been purposely pushed into two camps but there is no need to push anymore. The fear, hatred and distrust have taken on a life of its own.
This is unacceptable on any level and mirrors the anti-semitism and anti-anything that is not a leftist or Islamic fundamentalist cause we see everyday in the UK.
We all need to fight back against this, this was a verbally violent abusive attack on a private religious group that any civilised society should not tolerate.
Jesus overturned the tables of the money changers. In many parts of the Body these terrorists may have been forcibly removed. This could have ended in bodily injury or worse to many. The governor, mayor, and police chief all need removed as they are complicit in terrorist activities
Where are those who profess to be brothers and sisters in Christ? When we share communion we are joined by the Blood and Body of Christ. Matthew 12:30 tells us that “whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. Folks in Minnesota are reaping what they sow 🙏. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God.
Omg. I know who that the beard guy is. His name is Kristopher Goldsmith. He’s on Substack. I’ve always thought he was an op & paid him no mind, even when I was a Dem. He considers himself antifa, whatever that means to him.
This video is even worse than I thought. And I already thought it was terrorism. The pastor looks really scared.
Christians being terrorised all round the world it seems. In UK there is a definite sense of demoting the Christian faith. A teacher who stated that our country is a Christian country was dismissed. Praying outside is forbidden it seems. And of course Jewish people are being harassed and frightened.
The UK is lost, so it would seem. I was supposed to go there at the end of last summer but I had to have a hip replacement. I hope to go this summer to see it for myself.
JESUS of Nazareth told us we would suffer for his name, something American Christians know little about. It may be our time has come and if so suffer we will, but the terrorists you speak of need to have the most severe consequences for their actions. Great article.
The church is privately owned. Under US law, anyone unwanted is trespassing. Both the church and law enforcement has to stand up to this, at Cities Church and everywhere. The civil war is coming. Turning the other cheek will just hasten it.
lemon is aptly named. It's very unfortunate the pastor played into his hand.
The Patriarchs and Heads of Churches in the Holy Land are full of themselves and don't want anyone to have authority other than them. That is abhorrent to Jesus' teachings and proves they are posers and do not represent the greater Christian community. If they don't believe in Zionism, let them leave Israel or attack it already.
Levy Armstrong - Levy is a Jewish name. How can she represent the nutcases with that name? Clearly she's a closet Zionist. ;) Admit it nakima baby...
ditto... she's never supported any chewish causes an' "majored" in "black social justis" in college...two others names she's had are Pounds & Valdez. the "Levy" makes no sense but I wish she war a Leave-ee! (as in pleeze go away ;-)
In most of the country, the weather is too cold for most of these rioters to be very active. As winter turns into spring and spring to summer and temps increase, so will the actions of these rioters. Will it be as bad as Vietnam era protests with cities on fire? I hope not. But I'm betting on some similar smaller scale destruction.
From what I understand Patriarchs and Heads of Churches in Jerusalem do include Catholics. I am careful to not speak against my Catholic brothers and sisters as many stand with Israel. However, the history of the Catholic Church is not great on this score. And there is a growing ultra conservative "Christ is King" Catholic movement, which I have written about elsewhere. I do not only criticize the Catholic Church, I also criticize evangelicals, prosperity preachers, Mormonism, any manmade institution that veers away from the simple teachings of Jesus.
I don't know if you saw this essay.
Christian Nationalism and Christ is King: The Perfect Storm, Part II
When conservative Evangelical and Catholic leaders join with the far left in calling for the destruction of Israel, we have the perfect storm.
Great video. I somehow doubt Lemon will be arrested. All of the people who invaded that church should be arrested. And all of the Muslim men who pray outside of public buildings and churches should be arrested. All of the people who protest and intimidate people outside of synagogues, as they try to go in to worship should be arrested. But will this happen? Imagine how liberals will rise up and claim we live in a police state. Everything is so upside down.
We should all enter Lemon's house and claim first amendment right to assemble and protest.
Great idea.
💯 great idea !
This is no different than having people come into your home uninvited. It is an invasion...not a protest. And if they want to protest, do it on public, not private property. This is a church home...supported by the people of the church for worshipping Christ. Nobody deserves to be disrespected in this way. They are violating the rights of these people and need to be brought to court to settle this, so it does not happen again.
Exactly. If there is not harsh punishment, what will they do next?
I hear some private property owners want people with guns to stay out. Even if these places are open to the public. Speaking is not terrorism.
I serve on my security team at my church here in Tucson, where was that churchs security? That would not happen at my church,we train all year long in descalation, hostage situation,active shooter, use of deadly force.There is a large group of churchs here in Az that are part of The Az Church Security Network. All members have extensive background check, C.C.W , considerable range training,etc. Christans better stand up to this pure evil or we loose this amazing REPUBLIC. GOD BLESS YOU SISTER!
You're right. It is sad that it has come to this. I think it's just a matter of many churches realizing they need to catch up with these dangerous times. Synagogues do this. Women and men train. My friend and all others in her synagogue trained in Krav Maga.
If this continues, there WILL be an “incident”. I am willing to bet that at my church here in Texas, that would have gone down very differently. Sooner or later, they’ll cross a line there’s no going back from.
YES MA’AM, WE DONT TOLERATE DEVIL WOKER GARBAGE HERE, SADLY,ONE DAY, “ THERE WILL BE BLOOD”!
This is where we are heading.
The fear this engenders is palpable. Having zero common decency, trespassing, intimidating. More demonstrations of the culture of "it's all about ME ME ME. Other people have no rights as long as they are standing in MY way, of what I want. And by the way if you stand in MY way I might have to resort to VIOLENCE."
Exactly. Ever since Covid we have been purposely pushed into two camps but there is no need to push anymore. The fear, hatred and distrust have taken on a life of its own.
The First Amendment in reference to assembly does NOT include private property - unless you are INVITED to assemble.
Thanks Karen,
This is unacceptable on any level and mirrors the anti-semitism and anti-anything that is not a leftist or Islamic fundamentalist cause we see everyday in the UK.
We all need to fight back against this, this was a verbally violent abusive attack on a private religious group that any civilised society should not tolerate.
Agree
Jesus overturned the tables of the money changers. In many parts of the Body these terrorists may have been forcibly removed. This could have ended in bodily injury or worse to many. The governor, mayor, and police chief all need removed as they are complicit in terrorist activities
Yes, all it will take is for someone to be seriously injured on either side for this to explode.
Where are those who profess to be brothers and sisters in Christ? When we share communion we are joined by the Blood and Body of Christ. Matthew 12:30 tells us that “whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. Folks in Minnesota are reaping what they sow 🙏. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God.
Omg. I know who that the beard guy is. His name is Kristopher Goldsmith. He’s on Substack. I’ve always thought he was an op & paid him no mind, even when I was a Dem. He considers himself antifa, whatever that means to him.
This video is even worse than I thought. And I already thought it was terrorism. The pastor looks really scared.
Wow, I will have to look him up. Thanks.
Just double checked the name. It’s Kristofer. I spelled it wrong before.
Christians being terrorised all round the world it seems. In UK there is a definite sense of demoting the Christian faith. A teacher who stated that our country is a Christian country was dismissed. Praying outside is forbidden it seems. And of course Jewish people are being harassed and frightened.
The UK is lost, so it would seem. I was supposed to go there at the end of last summer but I had to have a hip replacement. I hope to go this summer to see it for myself.
JESUS of Nazareth told us we would suffer for his name, something American Christians know little about. It may be our time has come and if so suffer we will, but the terrorists you speak of need to have the most severe consequences for their actions. Great article.
🙏
This is trespassing, not protesting!
There is no coming back from this, I’m praying for La segunda veneda de Christo.
Amen.
All very straightforward as you explained:
The church is privately owned. Under US law, anyone unwanted is trespassing. Both the church and law enforcement has to stand up to this, at Cities Church and everywhere. The civil war is coming. Turning the other cheek will just hasten it.
lemon is aptly named. It's very unfortunate the pastor played into his hand.
The Patriarchs and Heads of Churches in the Holy Land are full of themselves and don't want anyone to have authority other than them. That is abhorrent to Jesus' teachings and proves they are posers and do not represent the greater Christian community. If they don't believe in Zionism, let them leave Israel or attack it already.
Levy Armstrong - Levy is a Jewish name. How can she represent the nutcases with that name? Clearly she's a closet Zionist. ;) Admit it nakima baby...
Yes, I thought her middle name was strange.
ditto... she's never supported any chewish causes an' "majored" in "black social justis" in college...two others names she's had are Pounds & Valdez. the "Levy" makes no sense but I wish she war a Leave-ee! (as in pleeze go away ;-)
In most of the country, the weather is too cold for most of these rioters to be very active. As winter turns into spring and spring to summer and temps increase, so will the actions of these rioters. Will it be as bad as Vietnam era protests with cities on fire? I hope not. But I'm betting on some similar smaller scale destruction.
Karen, very good post with strong points. I, too, am a Christian Zionist and will continue to be despite persecution.
My understanding was that this "Letter from the Patriarchs" was from the Orthodox church in Jerusalem. Does that include the Catholic church there?
From what I understand Patriarchs and Heads of Churches in Jerusalem do include Catholics. I am careful to not speak against my Catholic brothers and sisters as many stand with Israel. However, the history of the Catholic Church is not great on this score. And there is a growing ultra conservative "Christ is King" Catholic movement, which I have written about elsewhere. I do not only criticize the Catholic Church, I also criticize evangelicals, prosperity preachers, Mormonism, any manmade institution that veers away from the simple teachings of Jesus.
I don't know if you saw this essay.
Christian Nationalism and Christ is King: The Perfect Storm, Part II
When conservative Evangelical and Catholic leaders join with the far left in calling for the destruction of Israel, we have the perfect storm.
https://khmezek.substack.com/p/the-perfect-storm-part-ii-christian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xEbNt1c65Y
Great video. I somehow doubt Lemon will be arrested. All of the people who invaded that church should be arrested. And all of the Muslim men who pray outside of public buildings and churches should be arrested. All of the people who protest and intimidate people outside of synagogues, as they try to go in to worship should be arrested. But will this happen? Imagine how liberals will rise up and claim we live in a police state. Everything is so upside down.