Behold, I am about to make Jerusalem a cup of staggering to all the surrounding peoples.... And all the nations of the earth will gather against it.” —Zechariah 12:2-3
The comments here are indeed interesting. I wished I knew what to believe and who to blame as other people here seem to be quite sure. I don't trust any government to be truthful; any mainstream news outlet will only report what they're told to report. I have read in other sources that Hamas has support from elements within the Israeli government; I don't know if that is true or not. Our own government says they support Israel but they send money to Iran.
What I do know is that many innocent people are being slaughtered for some unfathomable evil reason. I hope that most people in Israel, whether Hebrew or Palestinian, want to live in peace. I cannot comprehend the hate on display for other humans. I can't even feel that kind of hot hate for anyone, not even my own evil government.
I just wish there were reasonable thoughtful kind people with standing trying to bring sense and reason where there is obviously none. I won't be holding my breath, because reasonable thoughtful kind people do not enter government; only those who want to control others.
It seems to me that THEY (The Hierarchy Exploiting You) will not be happy until the world is completely and utterly destroyed. It seems to be in the immediate cross hairs. As long as there is power to be gained or more wealth to be accumulated, nothing will stop them.
(Just a note to Americans: do not let yourself to be disarmed. How that happened in Israel is a mystery to me and clearly shows that the government of that country doesn't give a tinker's dam about their citizenry. Didn't they see what happened in Germany?)
Thanks again, Karen, for your brilliant writing, even though it makes me cry with despair.
I will probably be writing a follow up to this piece instead of responding to so many of these comments (not to mention the emails). Although I expected a backlash, it is still disturbing when it hits you in the face. Thank you to @georgegrosman for his informative responses. I wish I had a podcast, George, I would have you on in a second to discuss this. https://substack.com/@georgegrosman or https://georgegrosman.substack.com/
Hmm, I copied that address from your Substack link in your name. I will correct it. I think we can do it through Substack or I will see if I can figure it out.
Good summary. There is a kabbalistic commentary on the Bible that warns that the biggest problem approaching end times will be Iran. Remember, Hezbollah and Hamas are nothing more than Iranian proxies.
These are truly dark days. The US has taken its eye off the ball in foreign policy and is distracted and obsessed with the proxy war in the Ukraine and its obsession with Russsia- insane revenge for the lost 2016 election!
Domestically it is distracted with the insanity of wokeness (neo Marxist and post modernist idiocy), climate change, Covid, and persecuting Trump and his supporters- so called right wing extremists.
It seems like the Democrats and many others want to destroy the US and all it used to stand for.
What we are left with is barbarism- as proudly displayed by Hamas and its supporters.
If the so called "right wing", Nazis or neo Nazis had committed the crimes of Hamas then the world would stand united in condemnation and indignation. Whether you are condemned for your inhumanity and brutality depends on the badge you wear!
We have foot soldiers streaming into the West. For those who wag their fingers at Israel's self defense, what will happen when those foot soldiers get their activation orders here? Will these same people sit back or will they defend themselves and their loved ones? We are seeing the fulfilment of prophecy every day. Only God has all of the answers. He has given us His Word. It's time to study it and be prepared.
What happened? Prophecy seems to be happening. All I know with certainty is that the already-thick prophesied deception is growing ever thicker. And that this might not be the ideal time to go on a holy land tour.
One would think they could make a home where they are, even if they hope to some day move elsewhere, as many, many other people have done throughout history, including the Jews when taken captive by the Assyrians and Babylonians. Any Gazans who are living in camps are there either by their own choice or are kept there by whoever is controlling Gaza territory, which for almost 20 years, has been Hamas.
Excellent. Thank you for this. I only found out about you a few days ago, via the Hrvoje Morić interview. I just commented there a few minutes ago and then found this article.
I agree… people need to become familiar with the scriptures so they can recognize the things that are coming.
A good book you may like to read: Law Without Authority or Limits : Kelsen’s Dilemma by Dan Gruber. (I also recommend his other books, especially Copernicus and the Jews, but Kelsen’s Dilemma is about the current world situation.)
Unless and until we're all talking about those behind the curtain, who Icke refers to as the Cult we will spend time perpetuating the narratives of division they create to keep us divided and them, in charge.
Hamas is cult controlled, Israel is cult controlled. Two tentacles of the same spider.
Real humans are mere pawns to be used in their game.
Sometimes anti Semitism is a pogrom, burning villages. Sometimes anti Semitism is framing an honorable French army officer. Sometimes anti Semitism is blaming the Jews for using Christian virgin blood for matzos. Sometimes anti Semitism is the gas chambers. Sometimes anti Semitism is Hamas beheading toddlers. And always always always anti Semitism is blaming the Jews for the world's troubles and, naturally, for their own fate.
It's very curious, btw - (hello proponents of a "two state solution") that at every Balestinian demonstration the chant is: "Palestine will be free - from the river to the sea"
I assume they want us to establish our country in the Mediterranean between Tel Aviv and Larnaca, Cyprus
I'm standing with the Palestinians. It's time they were given their own state and Israel forced to give back the land they stole from Syria. The most condemned country in the UN General Assembly has been Israel, who have committed many crimes and never been held accountable by the UN Security Council or other international institutions.
A condemnation from the likes of Sudan, Chad and Venezuela is more like praise. The UN is total joke. Syria? Israel never "stole" any land from Syria. It did conquer land from Jordan after an unprovoked war.
The Palestinians were never given their own state because at the time of the 1947 partition no Palestinian nation existed. The land was split between Israel and Jordan
The UN is only a joke when it doesn't go along with America. That's what you meant to say.
Don't agree with attacking civilians but it's not like the Israelis haven't committed countless atrocities over the years with full backing of the USSA, the great imperialist.
Just one more quick comment: the Golan Heights were not "taken". They were conquered in a bloody battle that cost many Israeli and Syrian lives. The Heights were captured because prior to 1967, Syrians used it for constant shelling of the kibbutzim below
In June 1967 Israel annexed the “West Bank” (of the Jordan) and Gaza by first attacking and destroying the Egyptian and Syrian armies in a surprise attack. Israeli leaders claimed Egypt was about to attack Israel, but former Israeli President Menachem later admitted publicly that this was a lie. In a speech he gave in Washington, DC, on August 8, 1982 he said:
“In June 1967, we again had a choice. The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.”
On Nov. 22, 1967, UN Resolution 242, adopted unanimously, called for the withdrawal of Israeli forces from the “territories occupied in the recent conflict”. Israel withdrew from the Sinai after the Egypt-Israel peace treaty of 1979. It did not withdraw from other lands occupied in 1967 – the West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan Heights in Syria.
Full Ray McGovern article here. A US veteran and former intelligence officer who isn't an apologist and tells the truth, including how settlers attacked Americans on a peace mission to Israel.
Yes, I was there. My cousin fought to retake the Golan in 1973. "Palestinians" are mainly former residents of Jordan and the territory assigned to Israel by the UN in 1947. The King of Jordan was very pleased when we took West Bank Arabs (aka Palestinians) off his k
hands.Those who were left were expelled by the King in 1970 (Google Black September)
Israel has committed no atrocities - though individual soldiers have, no doubt.
Whatever the death toll may now be during the Gaza bombing is purely on Hamas' conscience (as if they have any) I'll take US imperialism against China's, Russia's or Iran's - THE imperialist power in the ME
Nice chatting with ya but I'm done. Have a great day under the boot of US oppression
Of course, two wrongs do not make a right yet but even asking this question you are completely ignoring what the Israelis have been doing for many years to the Palestinians. One must remember that Gaza is simply an open air prison and much like prisons throughout the world, there will be uprisings and the actions taken by the prisoners will often be repulsive.
A friend in the West Bank sent me the following article and I believe it is worth reading and considering:
Nonsense. Gaza is not an 'open-air prison' or, if it is, it is one that has been created by the so-called prisoners themselves. If the people in Gaza could be trusted to behave themselves, Israel would welcome them in with open arms to work and to trade. If they were smart, the people of Gaza would avail themselves of the opportunity. But they're not smart, are they.
The citizens of Gaza are not even Israeli citizens even after decades of occupation. Although I have not been to Gaza I have been to most of the Palestinian cities in the West Bank. In Hebron the Israelis even have a military base within Palestinian controlled area - it looks like an old fort.
The reports by the MSM have always been so one sided. Israelis always the innocent victim, while every Palestinian is a born terrorist who deserve what they get. My eyes were opened in 2014 when I saw the horrific images and read the reports coming out of Gaza on social media. It was a very shocking awakening, and I cried for the Palestinian people. Of course every Jew I knew at the time was in complete denial. It reminds me of all the people I know who bought the covid narrative hook line and sinker no questions asked. When will the Palestinians get to tell their horror story of systematic genocide for all the world to hear? 75 years of unbelievable suffering while the western world enables it and turns a blind eye.
The Israeli govt even prohibits its own citizens from visiting areas controlled by the Palestinian authority. I visited many of these areas last fall and found it very sad to see the conditions they are forced to live under
Israelis are prohibited from entering the areas by the Palestinian Authority, not by Israel. Conversely, West Bank residents routinely visit and work in Israel
You clearly have never visited the areas controlled by the Palestinian Authority. The signs were put up by the Israeli govt not the Palestinian Authority. In fact, there are no checkpoints beyond the signs unless the Israeli military puts one up. Israeli law prohibits its citizens from entering these areas. Read the sign in the link below. It clearly states that it is against Israeli law. I am an American of German descent and drove into these areas with a rental car with yellow license plates and did not have any problems but I would not recommend it to your average tourist. West Bank residents need special permission to work and visit Israel. You must pass a checkpoint to enter Israel from anywhere within the West Bank. Routinely is not a very accurate term. I remember wanting to visiting the Lutheran Church in Jerusalem but was told that the caretaker who lived in the West Bank had lost his permission to enter.
What about what HAMAS has been doing to the “Palestinians” for the past 15-17 years…? Who is holding them “prisoner”? Why are there refugee camps for “Palestinians” in territory controlled by “Palestinians”? Why does no one answer this question … or even ask it…?
There are refugee camps because these individuals were displaced by Zionists; they still desire to return to their "stolen" homes.
When another govt controls your access to everything, including your access to even cement, it is impossible for you to be in control. Isn't this very similar to being a prisoner?
Have you been to any of these areas? I traveled throughout the West Bank last November. I was within a few hundred yards og Gaza but as a tourist unable to enter.
I don’t understand why people don’t think the “Palestinians” have a “state.” Hamas took over governing in 2005 or 2007 (?), and have been in charge ever since.
There is nothing special with this current normal degenerate uman animals entertainment... I still wonder with the selective way western Plantations herds react to the same type of event depending on the region/herds involved!
But even this behavior is nothing new... So just another regular day on this wonderful degenerated Uman civilization. Don't forget to go to modern slavery on Monday... And consume/indebt! That's all They need you to keep on doing. Also make a donation to some "charity"!
I am so saddened to see another thinker succumb to messages of hate. I understand and respect your experience in the middle east, but it is impossible to assert "They literally want to see the death of every single Jew on the planet". This is fear-mongering and creating a false narrative. Even if your experience of every single Muslim was that they wanted to kill every single Jew, surely you cannot believe that there are no Muslims around Israel who desire peace?
The surrounding nations under Sharia law wish the destruction of Israel and every Jew. It's not a popular thing to say but it's true. Of course that doesn't mean there aren't Muslims all over the world who desire peace. I've talked multiple times about this in my essays. Please read Merry Christmas and Yes, the Holocaust Did Happen https://open.substack.com/pub/khmezek/p/merry-christmas-and-yes-the-holocaust to find many examples of this. Read The Bloodsuckers https://open.substack.com/pub/khmezek/p/the-bloodsuckers to find a beautiful explanation of Islam explained to my family by a professor when we were in Fez. Especially read Into to the World https://open.substack.com/pub/khmezek/p/into-the-world where I describe joining a protest in support of Palestinians in Istanbul and my experience as a child sailing the Nile with a Nubian sailor and how I came to question the way I was raised as a fundamentalist Christian, that everyone was going to hell except those who believed exact as we did. I cannot believe that. Only God can do that. Love is the answer, not hate. It is also not a "false narrative" (another term I do not like because people are now conditioned to say it and I have written quite a bit about how these new all-encompassing explanations that leave no room for debate came into our vocabulary) to speak the truth about this deep rooted hatred even if it is hard to hear and unpopular. That hatred can be buried and then, when it is poked and prodded it comes alive again. I saw this living in communist Yugoslavia when I live there in the 1980s and married to a Slovenian singer. Tito managed to keep the country united sometimes I think by sheer for of his personality. But once he died that hatred boiled over. It's there. Perhaps it's there in some form in all of us. The darker side of human nature. To acknowledge it is the only way to face it and overcome it. Only love will save us from the harsh reality of the most fundamental flaws of humanity.
It has taken me a while to respond because I am not sure what to say. The Karen who wrote the response to my comment is a person I want to hear more of. This Karen clearly has much more real experience of the Middle East and is willing to look at the conflict from all sides. Perhaps in the end I would disagree with her final opinion (which is ok!!!) but I absolutely respect her argumentation, experience and tone of voice.
My issue is still with the original article (and, unfortunately, I assume few people will read this comment thread!) and the tone and feeling it conveys.
Perhaps what I want to say is that I'd love to read more of the Karen in the comments, not the Karen from the original article. But of course, that's just my opinion ;)
The comments here are indeed interesting. I wished I knew what to believe and who to blame as other people here seem to be quite sure. I don't trust any government to be truthful; any mainstream news outlet will only report what they're told to report. I have read in other sources that Hamas has support from elements within the Israeli government; I don't know if that is true or not. Our own government says they support Israel but they send money to Iran.
What I do know is that many innocent people are being slaughtered for some unfathomable evil reason. I hope that most people in Israel, whether Hebrew or Palestinian, want to live in peace. I cannot comprehend the hate on display for other humans. I can't even feel that kind of hot hate for anyone, not even my own evil government.
I just wish there were reasonable thoughtful kind people with standing trying to bring sense and reason where there is obviously none. I won't be holding my breath, because reasonable thoughtful kind people do not enter government; only those who want to control others.
It seems to me that THEY (The Hierarchy Exploiting You) will not be happy until the world is completely and utterly destroyed. It seems to be in the immediate cross hairs. As long as there is power to be gained or more wealth to be accumulated, nothing will stop them.
(Just a note to Americans: do not let yourself to be disarmed. How that happened in Israel is a mystery to me and clearly shows that the government of that country doesn't give a tinker's dam about their citizenry. Didn't they see what happened in Germany?)
Thanks again, Karen, for your brilliant writing, even though it makes me cry with despair.
I will probably be writing a follow up to this piece instead of responding to so many of these comments (not to mention the emails). Although I expected a backlash, it is still disturbing when it hits you in the face. Thank you to @georgegrosman for his informative responses. I wish I had a podcast, George, I would have you on in a second to discuss this. https://substack.com/@georgegrosman or https://georgegrosman.substack.com/
It's actually georgegrosman.substack.com
Maybe the other one works as well
We could do a Twitter podcast whatever they call it on X
Hmm, I copied that address from your Substack link in your name. I will correct it. I think we can do it through Substack or I will see if I can figure it out.
Good summary. There is a kabbalistic commentary on the Bible that warns that the biggest problem approaching end times will be Iran. Remember, Hezbollah and Hamas are nothing more than Iranian proxies.
These are truly dark days. The US has taken its eye off the ball in foreign policy and is distracted and obsessed with the proxy war in the Ukraine and its obsession with Russsia- insane revenge for the lost 2016 election!
Domestically it is distracted with the insanity of wokeness (neo Marxist and post modernist idiocy), climate change, Covid, and persecuting Trump and his supporters- so called right wing extremists.
It seems like the Democrats and many others want to destroy the US and all it used to stand for.
What we are left with is barbarism- as proudly displayed by Hamas and its supporters.
If the so called "right wing", Nazis or neo Nazis had committed the crimes of Hamas then the world would stand united in condemnation and indignation. Whether you are condemned for your inhumanity and brutality depends on the badge you wear!
Excellent response! I was starting to think all the responders here got their strait jackets loosened as they fell off the mental asylum bus
The blindness is spiritual. This is why they have eyes and ears but cannot see or comprehend. They are in total state of false indoctrination.
i agree. i'm glad i am not the only person who understands this
We have foot soldiers streaming into the West. For those who wag their fingers at Israel's self defense, what will happen when those foot soldiers get their activation orders here? Will these same people sit back or will they defend themselves and their loved ones? We are seeing the fulfilment of prophecy every day. Only God has all of the answers. He has given us His Word. It's time to study it and be prepared.
What happened? Prophecy seems to be happening. All I know with certainty is that the already-thick prophesied deception is growing ever thicker. And that this might not be the ideal time to go on a holy land tour.
One would think they could make a home where they are, even if they hope to some day move elsewhere, as many, many other people have done throughout history, including the Jews when taken captive by the Assyrians and Babylonians. Any Gazans who are living in camps are there either by their own choice or are kept there by whoever is controlling Gaza territory, which for almost 20 years, has been Hamas.
Excellent points. I am working on an essay, Hard Facts: From the River to the Sea, that addresses some of these facts.
Excellent. Thank you for this. I only found out about you a few days ago, via the Hrvoje Morić interview. I just commented there a few minutes ago and then found this article.
I agree… people need to become familiar with the scriptures so they can recognize the things that are coming.
A good book you may like to read: Law Without Authority or Limits : Kelsen’s Dilemma by Dan Gruber. (I also recommend his other books, especially Copernicus and the Jews, but Kelsen’s Dilemma is about the current world situation.)
Hi Karen, thanks for your clear and courageous insights. Israel is going to need all the friends it can get in these increasingly wicked times in which we live. I hope you won't mind me passing on this link to my brother's timely new book ("Messiah Promised" by James Johnson), about the coming Prince of Peace. Jesus Christ is the only hope for this sad world: https://www.amazon.co.uk/MESSIAH-PROMISED-James-Johnson/dp/B0CKRNV93C/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2ALKE88FS374C&keywords=Messiah+Promised%2C+by+James+Johnson&qid=1697106869&sprefix=messiah+promised+by+james+johnson%2Caps%2C81&sr=8-1
Unless and until we're all talking about those behind the curtain, who Icke refers to as the Cult we will spend time perpetuating the narratives of division they create to keep us divided and them, in charge.
Hamas is cult controlled, Israel is cult controlled. Two tentacles of the same spider.
Real humans are mere pawns to be used in their game.
https://davidicke.com/
Sometimes anti Semitism is a pogrom, burning villages. Sometimes anti Semitism is framing an honorable French army officer. Sometimes anti Semitism is blaming the Jews for using Christian virgin blood for matzos. Sometimes anti Semitism is the gas chambers. Sometimes anti Semitism is Hamas beheading toddlers. And always always always anti Semitism is blaming the Jews for the world's troubles and, naturally, for their own fate.
It's very curious, btw - (hello proponents of a "two state solution") that at every Balestinian demonstration the chant is: "Palestine will be free - from the river to the sea"
I assume they want us to establish our country in the Mediterranean between Tel Aviv and Larnaca, Cyprus
AM ISRAEL CHAI ✡️
THE NATION OF ISRAEL SHALL LIVE ✡️
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_anti-Zionist_organizations
https://twitter.com/torahjudaism/status/1711346466986291608
How is this relevant? There are lots of anti American Americans (every collage campus) and there are many idiot Jews who are anti Zionist.
I'm standing with the Palestinians. It's time they were given their own state and Israel forced to give back the land they stole from Syria. The most condemned country in the UN General Assembly has been Israel, who have committed many crimes and never been held accountable by the UN Security Council or other international institutions.
A condemnation from the likes of Sudan, Chad and Venezuela is more like praise. The UN is total joke. Syria? Israel never "stole" any land from Syria. It did conquer land from Jordan after an unprovoked war.
The Palestinians were never given their own state because at the time of the 1947 partition no Palestinian nation existed. The land was split between Israel and Jordan
Time to hit the history books friend
The Golan Heights was taken from Syria, Jorge.
The UN is only a joke when it doesn't go along with America. That's what you meant to say.
Don't agree with attacking civilians but it's not like the Israelis haven't committed countless atrocities over the years with full backing of the USSA, the great imperialist.
Just one more quick comment: the Golan Heights were not "taken". They were conquered in a bloody battle that cost many Israeli and Syrian lives. The Heights were captured because prior to 1967, Syrians used it for constant shelling of the kibbutzim below
In June 1967 Israel annexed the “West Bank” (of the Jordan) and Gaza by first attacking and destroying the Egyptian and Syrian armies in a surprise attack. Israeli leaders claimed Egypt was about to attack Israel, but former Israeli President Menachem later admitted publicly that this was a lie. In a speech he gave in Washington, DC, on August 8, 1982 he said:
“In June 1967, we again had a choice. The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.”
On Nov. 22, 1967, UN Resolution 242, adopted unanimously, called for the withdrawal of Israeli forces from the “territories occupied in the recent conflict”. Israel withdrew from the Sinai after the Egypt-Israel peace treaty of 1979. It did not withdraw from other lands occupied in 1967 – the West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan Heights in Syria.
Full Ray McGovern article here. A US veteran and former intelligence officer who isn't an apologist and tells the truth, including how settlers attacked Americans on a peace mission to Israel.
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/10/11/ray-mcgovern-a-matter-of-justice/
Did Israel take Palestinian Land? I watched this yesterday: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=btVFgqkgkzw
Yes, I was there. My cousin fought to retake the Golan in 1973. "Palestinians" are mainly former residents of Jordan and the territory assigned to Israel by the UN in 1947. The King of Jordan was very pleased when we took West Bank Arabs (aka Palestinians) off his k
hands.Those who were left were expelled by the King in 1970 (Google Black September)
Israel has committed no atrocities - though individual soldiers have, no doubt.
Whatever the death toll may now be during the Gaza bombing is purely on Hamas' conscience (as if they have any) I'll take US imperialism against China's, Russia's or Iran's - THE imperialist power in the ME
Nice chatting with ya but I'm done. Have a great day under the boot of US oppression
Do you support the rapes, the torture, the kidnappings, the killings? Just curious. A clear answer from you would be welcome.
Of course, two wrongs do not make a right yet but even asking this question you are completely ignoring what the Israelis have been doing for many years to the Palestinians. One must remember that Gaza is simply an open air prison and much like prisons throughout the world, there will be uprisings and the actions taken by the prisoners will often be repulsive.
A friend in the West Bank sent me the following article and I believe it is worth reading and considering:
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231009-israel-expert-are-we-allowed-to-be-arrogant-without-paying-a-price/
Nonsense. Gaza is not an 'open-air prison' or, if it is, it is one that has been created by the so-called prisoners themselves. If the people in Gaza could be trusted to behave themselves, Israel would welcome them in with open arms to work and to trade. If they were smart, the people of Gaza would avail themselves of the opportunity. But they're not smart, are they.
The citizens of Gaza are not even Israeli citizens even after decades of occupation. Although I have not been to Gaza I have been to most of the Palestinian cities in the West Bank. In Hebron the Israelis even have a military base within Palestinian controlled area - it looks like an old fort.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231009-israel-expert-are-we-allowed-to-be-arrogant-without-paying-a-price/
What occupation??? Dude, Israel left Gaza 18 years ago!
The reports by the MSM have always been so one sided. Israelis always the innocent victim, while every Palestinian is a born terrorist who deserve what they get. My eyes were opened in 2014 when I saw the horrific images and read the reports coming out of Gaza on social media. It was a very shocking awakening, and I cried for the Palestinian people. Of course every Jew I knew at the time was in complete denial. It reminds me of all the people I know who bought the covid narrative hook line and sinker no questions asked. When will the Palestinians get to tell their horror story of systematic genocide for all the world to hear? 75 years of unbelievable suffering while the western world enables it and turns a blind eye.
The Israeli govt even prohibits its own citizens from visiting areas controlled by the Palestinian authority. I visited many of these areas last fall and found it very sad to see the conditions they are forced to live under
https://danielrosehill.medium.com/what-are-the-big-red-warning-signs-in-the-west-bank-about-26e7ef9dbe67
That is total BS
Israelis are prohibited from entering the areas by the Palestinian Authority, not by Israel. Conversely, West Bank residents routinely visit and work in Israel
You clearly have never visited the areas controlled by the Palestinian Authority. The signs were put up by the Israeli govt not the Palestinian Authority. In fact, there are no checkpoints beyond the signs unless the Israeli military puts one up. Israeli law prohibits its citizens from entering these areas. Read the sign in the link below. It clearly states that it is against Israeli law. I am an American of German descent and drove into these areas with a rental car with yellow license plates and did not have any problems but I would not recommend it to your average tourist. West Bank residents need special permission to work and visit Israel. You must pass a checkpoint to enter Israel from anywhere within the West Bank. Routinely is not a very accurate term. I remember wanting to visiting the Lutheran Church in Jerusalem but was told that the caretaker who lived in the West Bank had lost his permission to enter.
https://danielrosehill.medium.com/what-are-the-big-red-warning-signs-in-the-west-bank-about-26e7ef9dbe67#:~:text=The%20red%20signs%20positioned%20at,IDF%20officially%20advises%20against%20it).
Forced to live under those conditions by … ??? Hamas is in charge there.
What about what HAMAS has been doing to the “Palestinians” for the past 15-17 years…? Who is holding them “prisoner”? Why are there refugee camps for “Palestinians” in territory controlled by “Palestinians”? Why does no one answer this question … or even ask it…?
There are refugee camps because these individuals were displaced by Zionists; they still desire to return to their "stolen" homes.
When another govt controls your access to everything, including your access to even cement, it is impossible for you to be in control. Isn't this very similar to being a prisoner?
Have you been to any of these areas? I traveled throughout the West Bank last November. I was within a few hundred yards og Gaza but as a tourist unable to enter.
yeah give them a state and then isreal can declare war upon it when they send missiles over the border. then what will you do?
I don’t understand why people don’t think the “Palestinians” have a “state.” Hamas took over governing in 2005 or 2007 (?), and have been in charge ever since.
There is nothing special with this current normal degenerate uman animals entertainment... I still wonder with the selective way western Plantations herds react to the same type of event depending on the region/herds involved!
But even this behavior is nothing new... So just another regular day on this wonderful degenerated Uman civilization. Don't forget to go to modern slavery on Monday... And consume/indebt! That's all They need you to keep on doing. Also make a donation to some "charity"!
Dear Karen,
I am so saddened to see another thinker succumb to messages of hate. I understand and respect your experience in the middle east, but it is impossible to assert "They literally want to see the death of every single Jew on the planet". This is fear-mongering and creating a false narrative. Even if your experience of every single Muslim was that they wanted to kill every single Jew, surely you cannot believe that there are no Muslims around Israel who desire peace?
The surrounding nations under Sharia law wish the destruction of Israel and every Jew. It's not a popular thing to say but it's true. Of course that doesn't mean there aren't Muslims all over the world who desire peace. I've talked multiple times about this in my essays. Please read Merry Christmas and Yes, the Holocaust Did Happen https://open.substack.com/pub/khmezek/p/merry-christmas-and-yes-the-holocaust to find many examples of this. Read The Bloodsuckers https://open.substack.com/pub/khmezek/p/the-bloodsuckers to find a beautiful explanation of Islam explained to my family by a professor when we were in Fez. Especially read Into to the World https://open.substack.com/pub/khmezek/p/into-the-world where I describe joining a protest in support of Palestinians in Istanbul and my experience as a child sailing the Nile with a Nubian sailor and how I came to question the way I was raised as a fundamentalist Christian, that everyone was going to hell except those who believed exact as we did. I cannot believe that. Only God can do that. Love is the answer, not hate. It is also not a "false narrative" (another term I do not like because people are now conditioned to say it and I have written quite a bit about how these new all-encompassing explanations that leave no room for debate came into our vocabulary) to speak the truth about this deep rooted hatred even if it is hard to hear and unpopular. That hatred can be buried and then, when it is poked and prodded it comes alive again. I saw this living in communist Yugoslavia when I live there in the 1980s and married to a Slovenian singer. Tito managed to keep the country united sometimes I think by sheer for of his personality. But once he died that hatred boiled over. It's there. Perhaps it's there in some form in all of us. The darker side of human nature. To acknowledge it is the only way to face it and overcome it. Only love will save us from the harsh reality of the most fundamental flaws of humanity.
Dear Karen,
It has taken me a while to respond because I am not sure what to say. The Karen who wrote the response to my comment is a person I want to hear more of. This Karen clearly has much more real experience of the Middle East and is willing to look at the conflict from all sides. Perhaps in the end I would disagree with her final opinion (which is ok!!!) but I absolutely respect her argumentation, experience and tone of voice.
My issue is still with the original article (and, unfortunately, I assume few people will read this comment thread!) and the tone and feeling it conveys.
Perhaps what I want to say is that I'd love to read more of the Karen in the comments, not the Karen from the original article. But of course, that's just my opinion ;)
No worries, both addresses may work
They do