Karen, catching up on your essays, I'm reminded of how powerful your essays are. Thank you for identifying in plain English the damage(s) that are being done to our Earth by "going Green/EV". It is easy to mask what is going on because, at least for now, this mining is going on in other parts of the world. Please keep doing what you are doing. Your essays are much needed in a Nation starved for real, factual information.
Every "EV" battery you want to produce requires digging up 500,000 lbs of earth and it doesn't stop there; having dug it up you must refine it to extract the lithium, cobalt, nickel and copper you need to build that battery pack. Almost none of that is recycled because it is not economic to do so; to mandate recycled materials would make that already-outrageously-expensive battery pack much more expensive.
"cost of battery was $9500.00 and installation was $2500.00. Fell out of my chair when I heard that this weekend."
Did you not hear of the guy (think it was in Cal.) who, when he found out the cost to replace his expensive/high-end Tesla's battery, pulled the Tesla up in front of the dealer and EXPLODED IT! Put explosives in and blew it up!
Now THAT is making a statement!
EVs, however, are not green. A half million pounds of earth has to be dug up for just one battery pack which must be moved for processing in huge (diesel-powered) trucks, crushed and then wildly-toxic chemicals used to extract the ores -- specifically lithium, cobalt, nickel, copper and others. None of this occurs with a traditional vehicle. The packs are not economically recyclable and requiring them to be will wildly escalate their costs further. Charging said vehicle is approximately equal to running your electric clothes dryer all night long, and the cost of power when you're not at home is roughly double to triple when you use a "supercharger" or similar; this makes the cost on a per-mile basis higher than that of a gas car in many cases.
We do not have the electrical capacity nor is there any way to generate it using so-called "green" methods to charge these vehicles if a material percentage of the fleet converts. Without power you own a $50,000 brick and being "out" means not going anywhere. What's worse is that the existing fueling stations are used by a vehicle for about 5 minutes; conservatively it requires 30 minutes to get usable range from an EV, so contemplate where you're going to get six times the land you have for each fuel station now, plus you will need to place them twice as close together as the average EV range is half or less that of a gasoline vehicle.
The truth is that modern automobile gasoline engines are about as efficient as can be achieved. CO2, which is the only primary emission of modern closed-loop gasoline engines, is not a pollutant -- it is plant food and emitted by every animal as well. Simply put your gasoline car is far greener, all-in, than is your EV. Sorry, facts are facts folks and we don't use liquid hydrocarbons because we're pigs. We use them because nobody has come up with an actual workable and cost-effective alternative.
Mandating the impossible is a recipe for societal collapse. Secretary Pete has never put forward any facts, figures and computations to show how such a "transition" can take place. That's because he knows he's 100% full of **** and what he is cheering on and part of is impossible.
I don't care if you feel this is a good thing or not. That which you feel must yield to physics.
Always.
Now the question: Will you force the so-called "politicians" to cut this crap out -- no matter what you have to do make them stop it -- or will you simply lay down at their command and die?
I joined the board of the Electric Automobile Association in my city about 20 years ago, because I wanted to know why EV's were not yet around. During my 2 years on the board, I learned a lot about batteries, mining, and the side effects of EV use. I have continued to do my research and found much of the same information as you did. Last year, our state decided to set a goal for some ridiculously high percentage of all new cars having to be EV by 2025 or so. A young woman phone banked me one night, earnestly asking me to call my legislators and ask them to support the bill. I told her no, then explained why. I explained the coup in Bolivia and how that was related to their lithium. I told her to watch "who killed the Electric Car". I shared what I knew about the cost of making an EV, the cost of all that non-recyclable material, and how ultimately, it was worse for the environment than what we had now. She seemed converted by the end of our conversation and thanked me profusely. I'm anxious now to go read part 2, thank you again for another splendid and well-researched article.
There are a bunch of ugly wind farms near me. The bird death is astounding. The farmers make more leasing their land for windmills than growing food. How many EV will be running in 10 years without a battery swap ? I’ve got 2 gas vehicles that are almost 20 years old and going strong. It’s all a scam.
I am looking for a fuller picture of the solar energy, clean and green dream. I'm sort of hoping people will comment more citations and information about that. For all of the people who are thinking of jumping on those solar rebates and loans to build solar arrays on their property to feed the grid, what should they be considering? Is it really going to help the community and environment like they think?
Solar and wind have a ugly underbelly as well. All of it comes around to money, and thousands of lies. Climate change is a vehicle to make the elite wealthier at the expense of the rest of us.
“No, we aren’t all going to die due to climate change within ten years. Nuclear war, famine, another Big Pharma engineered plague, are all more likely to kill us off. And yes, of course, we can do better to conserve energy—and we should. But ultimately, it is the corruption, greed and hypocrisy of our officials and corporate elite that will be our demise, not their accusations that ordinary citizens aren’t sacrificing enough to save the planet.”
Karen, catching up on your essays, I'm reminded of how powerful your essays are. Thank you for identifying in plain English the damage(s) that are being done to our Earth by "going Green/EV". It is easy to mask what is going on because, at least for now, this mining is going on in other parts of the world. Please keep doing what you are doing. Your essays are much needed in a Nation starved for real, factual information.
Every "EV" battery you want to produce requires digging up 500,000 lbs of earth and it doesn't stop there; having dug it up you must refine it to extract the lithium, cobalt, nickel and copper you need to build that battery pack. Almost none of that is recycled because it is not economic to do so; to mandate recycled materials would make that already-outrageously-expensive battery pack much more expensive.
"cost of battery was $9500.00 and installation was $2500.00. Fell out of my chair when I heard that this weekend."
Did you not hear of the guy (think it was in Cal.) who, when he found out the cost to replace his expensive/high-end Tesla's battery, pulled the Tesla up in front of the dealer and EXPLODED IT! Put explosives in and blew it up!
Now THAT is making a statement!
EVs, however, are not green. A half million pounds of earth has to be dug up for just one battery pack which must be moved for processing in huge (diesel-powered) trucks, crushed and then wildly-toxic chemicals used to extract the ores -- specifically lithium, cobalt, nickel, copper and others. None of this occurs with a traditional vehicle. The packs are not economically recyclable and requiring them to be will wildly escalate their costs further. Charging said vehicle is approximately equal to running your electric clothes dryer all night long, and the cost of power when you're not at home is roughly double to triple when you use a "supercharger" or similar; this makes the cost on a per-mile basis higher than that of a gas car in many cases.
We do not have the electrical capacity nor is there any way to generate it using so-called "green" methods to charge these vehicles if a material percentage of the fleet converts. Without power you own a $50,000 brick and being "out" means not going anywhere. What's worse is that the existing fueling stations are used by a vehicle for about 5 minutes; conservatively it requires 30 minutes to get usable range from an EV, so contemplate where you're going to get six times the land you have for each fuel station now, plus you will need to place them twice as close together as the average EV range is half or less that of a gasoline vehicle.
The truth is that modern automobile gasoline engines are about as efficient as can be achieved. CO2, which is the only primary emission of modern closed-loop gasoline engines, is not a pollutant -- it is plant food and emitted by every animal as well. Simply put your gasoline car is far greener, all-in, than is your EV. Sorry, facts are facts folks and we don't use liquid hydrocarbons because we're pigs. We use them because nobody has come up with an actual workable and cost-effective alternative.
Mandating the impossible is a recipe for societal collapse. Secretary Pete has never put forward any facts, figures and computations to show how such a "transition" can take place. That's because he knows he's 100% full of **** and what he is cheering on and part of is impossible.
I don't care if you feel this is a good thing or not. That which you feel must yield to physics.
Always.
Now the question: Will you force the so-called "politicians" to cut this crap out -- no matter what you have to do make them stop it -- or will you simply lay down at their command and die?
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I joined the board of the Electric Automobile Association in my city about 20 years ago, because I wanted to know why EV's were not yet around. During my 2 years on the board, I learned a lot about batteries, mining, and the side effects of EV use. I have continued to do my research and found much of the same information as you did. Last year, our state decided to set a goal for some ridiculously high percentage of all new cars having to be EV by 2025 or so. A young woman phone banked me one night, earnestly asking me to call my legislators and ask them to support the bill. I told her no, then explained why. I explained the coup in Bolivia and how that was related to their lithium. I told her to watch "who killed the Electric Car". I shared what I knew about the cost of making an EV, the cost of all that non-recyclable material, and how ultimately, it was worse for the environment than what we had now. She seemed converted by the end of our conversation and thanked me profusely. I'm anxious now to go read part 2, thank you again for another splendid and well-researched article.
As always, an excellent read.
Where are the environmentalists on this? The left claims to be so green, yet crickets on the degradation of the planet due to mining ore for EVs.
There are a bunch of ugly wind farms near me. The bird death is astounding. The farmers make more leasing their land for windmills than growing food. How many EV will be running in 10 years without a battery swap ? I’ve got 2 gas vehicles that are almost 20 years old and going strong. It’s all a scam.
I am looking for a fuller picture of the solar energy, clean and green dream. I'm sort of hoping people will comment more citations and information about that. For all of the people who are thinking of jumping on those solar rebates and loans to build solar arrays on their property to feed the grid, what should they be considering? Is it really going to help the community and environment like they think?
Solar and wind have a ugly underbelly as well. All of it comes around to money, and thousands of lies. Climate change is a vehicle to make the elite wealthier at the expense of the rest of us.
Tesla is the ‘poster-car’ for child abuse.
“No, we aren’t all going to die due to climate change within ten years. Nuclear war, famine, another Big Pharma engineered plague, are all more likely to kill us off. And yes, of course, we can do better to conserve energy—and we should. But ultimately, it is the corruption, greed and hypocrisy of our officials and corporate elite that will be our demise, not their accusations that ordinary citizens aren’t sacrificing enough to save the planet.”
This. 100% this.
Why do I feel that you going to drop another shoe...