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Lovely to hear you and Patrick chat. A lot of 'us' are the most relaxed lovely people, that's what I heard. Two people I'd love to go for a drink with.

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What a terrific hour of deep intellectual conversation. Appreciate your discussion on being censored by Twitter and the effects of social media on the human brain. One can scarcely get people to open up past superficial surface chatter anymore and Karen explains the why of this new normal based on fear.

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